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The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May

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Post by chasd00 »

kansface wrote: post #455
wpietri wrote: post #393

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or perhaps they know more about the topic than we random HN readers and have a plan that they're following.

Or perhaps they have radically different values and think one preventable death is one too many or perhaps they know a lot less about economics than random HN or perhaps they just don’t want to be blamed when more people die (even if it’s the right choice). Opening up society is a fundamentally political decision that I’m not personally willing to cede to unelected scientists.

don't addicts die all day everyday in the streets of SanFran? I think the authorities are so timid because they know it can happen to them and they're terrified.

Re: The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May

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Post by jwlake »

01100011 wrote: post #243

I'm surprised we're not seeing plans for some businesses to reopen with restrictions. I think it will be a while before we allow haircuts and manicures again, but I see no reason why we can't increase the types of businesses allowed open. Limiting occupancy, requiring PPE, and enforcing social distancing appear to be reasonable requirements. I hope the politicians and government workers are busy trying to find a midd…

The thing I'm confused by is why a costco is open that has like 1000 people per day and a flower shop that has 20 customers per day isn't open. Is the flower shop dangerous? Is it less essential on the yearly timeframe? This lockdown isn't measured in days right now, it's measured in months. What's "essential" in days is not what's "essential" in months.

Re: The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May

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Post by tgsovlerkhgsel »

01100011 wrote: post #243

I'm surprised we're not seeing plans for some businesses to reopen with restrictions. I think it will be a while before we allow haircuts and manicures again, but I see no reason why we can't increase the types of businesses allowed open. Limiting occupancy, requiring PPE, and enforcing social distancing appear to be reasonable requirements. I hope the politicians and government workers are busy trying to find a midd…

Switzerland actually started reopening with haircuts and manicures.

Certainly pressure from groups representing hairdressers was a big part of it, but the justification they use is that contact tracing can be done reliably in such a situation.

Keep in mind that they also want to reopen schools, citing dubious claims about children not contributing much to the spread, staying silent about the likely true motivation (sending the parents back to work).

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Post by tgsovlerkhgsel »

cavisne wrote: post #461
adrr wrote: post #456

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Other countries have achieved it. Why can’t the US do it?

Which ones, other than SK the other good example (japan, china, singapore) all turned out to not be testing.

Vietnam. Contacts put in hard quarantine (hotel/camp with guards), _contacts of contacts_ put in home quarantine.

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Post by esoterica »

1121redblackgo wrote: post #477
Zarath wrote: post #271

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Get off reddit, you won't regret it or miss it at all tbh.

Reddit sure aint what it used to be.

I remember RON PAUL 2008 and the unironic fedora wearing and I don't miss what it used to be.

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Post by hysan »

stevenwliao wrote: post #383
hysan wrote: post #210

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It's scary. I was laid-off this month due to COVID-19. Luckily, I am getting paid for one more month because of the WARN Act. I've been looking, but it has been difficult since I'm competing with all the more senior co-workers and peers who were also laid-off. So how is my budget? * I know that there will be a time gap between being able to apply for unemployment and receiving it. The unemployment systems in the US a…

If you enroll in COBRA within 60 days, you can retroactively claim coverage. If you have current cashflow issues but have only minor healthcare expenses, you can wait to see if you need it. Of course before going this route, check with a reputable source.

Note: This was back when I lived in NY and I know this differs by state, so this is not all around advice.

I’ve been on COBRA twice before using the 60 day “trick” due to recession related lay-offs. Luckily, the previous times I didn’t have cash flow issues, but I did learn that to get reimbursed once you opt-in and pay those back months can take many, many weeks. So while it may seem like you possibly extending your cash flow, you are actually playing a risky game of chance. Cash flow will end up being far worse off if you get unlucky.

I know I’ve replied more than once in this thread shooting down suggestions, but do know that I appreciate the advice. I’ve just lived life having quite a few unlucky events at bad times, so I’ve learned to always consider how worse off things can be for others.

What I was hoping for with my post was to solicit actual introspection and suggestions for alternative fixes that the HN community could iterate on. So please, I hope people will focus on that instead of my situation. Thank you.

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Post by 0xff00ffee »

the_watcher wrote: post #341
greendave wrote: post #144

The problem is that the shelter-in-place rule is already limited in effectiveness due to a very lengthy list of exceptions plus many people not observing the spirit of the rule. Compliance will only drop over time as people see that 1) Their actions are having no obvious impact and 2) There is no clear end in sight. If the primary goal of extending the order is to give local governments time to build out infrastructu…

What evidence is there that the SIP is limited in effectiveness? The existing evidence I am aware of is starkly contra that assertion. Anecdotes of seeing people too close together in the park are not evidence of an ineffective SIP.

You can't have a double-blind with only one side. Unfortunately the other side is unethical.

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Post by adrr »

cavisne wrote: post #461
adrr wrote: post #456

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Other countries have achieved it. Why can’t the US do it?

Which ones, other than SK the other good example (japan, china, singapore) all turned out to not be testing.

Iceland and Taiwan as well.

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Post by omgwtfbyobbq »

brianwawok wrote: post #385
mceachen wrote: post #378

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At least in CA, if you opt out of COBRA, you can't opt back in later.

Hum. In IL and IN you have either 45 or 60 days to accept or decline coverage (don’t quote me on exact number, do the research). It made the optimal short term insurance policy to be: Don’t fill out cobra paperwork to day 59 If not sick or total bills less than 2 months cobra payments, decline cobra. If sick and total bills > 2 months cobra payments, decide to accept coverage. Used this for like 5 job hops. Never had…

It's the same in CA in my experience. I guess people don't think about it b/c we're used to pre-paying for insurance and with COBRA there's a decent period of time to make a decision and you also pay for insurance the following month instead of paying for it prior to/during the month.
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