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Re: Effect of economic crisis on America’s small businesses [slides]

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I agree that we shouldn't be taking the supply away from the professionals while there's a shortage, but your statement was that they were ineffective in the hands of laymen, and I don't think that's true. I'm not assuming that they are 50% effective either, I pulled the 50% number out of my ass, but so is your 0%, and I find it hard to imagine a physical reality where me keeping a 6 feet distance to an infected pers…

I'm not an expert on infection control, but I work closely with people who either work in the infection control department of a hospital, or are running their own infection prevention and control consultancy. They live and breathe this, and I am only repeating almost verbatim what they have explained to me. I'm pretty sure they have "thought this through". So believe what you want, but I'm gonna go with the experts o…

Your dismissive tone is uncalled for and not appreciated. Here's a systematic review that cites several studies that find face masks show a statistically significant effect in protection against influenza:

https://www.bmj.com/content/339/bmj.b3675.short

If your collaborators can point you to peer-reviewed studies that rebut these results, or to a serious current analysis that shows the impossibility (or estimates the price and time frame) of ramping up PPE production, please post it.

Re: Effect of economic crisis on America’s small businesses [slides]

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Why do we need jobs to survive? That alone is an insane system. We desperately need to separate work activity and survivability. Even without this pandemic, we live in a World where there is enough shelter, food and drugs for everyone but we still have homeless people, people starving or at the least malnourished and people dying in a rich country because they have to ration fucking insulin. This economic system is n…

Yep, this situation is a socialist wet dream Of course socialism is a failed economic model but hey maybe this time it will work /s

How is it a failed system? I'd say people cannot afford insulin is proof enough that Capitalism is a failed system.

Just go ask Argentina[0], collapsing months after IMF was praising the "good" work Argentina was doing and how a good Capitalist country it has become[1].

This pandemic just made most people feel what the lives of billions is like all year long under Capitalism. And your dismissive comment is just shameful and disgusting.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998%E2%80%932002_Argentine_gr...

[1]: https://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/fandd/2000/03/pou.htm

Re: Effect of economic crisis on America’s small businesses [slides]

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post #455

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Yep, this situation is a socialist wet dream Of course socialism is a failed economic model but hey maybe this time it will work /s

How is it a failed system? I'd say people cannot afford insulin is proof enough that Capitalism is a failed system. Just go ask Argentina[0], collapsing months after IMF was praising the "good" work Argentina was doing and how a good Capitalist country it has become[1]. This pandemic just made most people feel what the lives of billions is like all year long under Capitalism. And your dismissive comment is just shame…

>>How is it a failed system?

ohh I dont know, the millions upon millions that have died in starvation due to socialism over the many decades that it has been tried

but those where not "real socialism" right....

Pointing to one good that some people can not afford (the reason is largely due to government control not capitalism BTW) does not in any way "prove capitalism failed"

it is true that sometimes with capitalism you will get breadlines, but with socialism sometimes you get bread

Re: Effect of economic crisis on America’s small businesses [slides]

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How is it a failed system? I'd say people cannot afford insulin is proof enough that Capitalism is a failed system. Just go ask Argentina[0], collapsing months after IMF was praising the "good" work Argentina was doing and how a good Capitalist country it has become[1]. This pandemic just made most people feel what the lives of billions is like all year long under Capitalism. And your dismissive comment is just shame…

>>How is it a failed system? ohh I dont know, the millions upon millions that have died in starvation due to socialism over the many decades that it has been tried but those where not "real socialism" right.... Pointing to one good that some people can not afford (the reason is largely due to government control not capitalism BTW) does not in any way "prove capitalism failed" it is true that sometimes with capitalism…

It's really something witnessing /r/the_donald spill over here.

Re: Effect of economic crisis on America’s small businesses [slides]

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Apologies. I've been trying to combat tension and anxiety in my household regarding COVID-19 and I guess I lost my patience reacted poorly to negativity online. Will reign it in and think more before posting, if at all.

I'm sorry you are under so much stress. I'm not being negative. I'm trying to provide solutions and hope. I know a lot about coping effectively in the face of a high need for germ control. I've done remote work for years. Etc. Maybe overlook the one sentence you focused on, go checkout gigworks, give me some constructive feedback (as penance ;). The world has been on the brink before and gotten through it. It can be…

Thanks, I appreciate your efforts. I'll take a look at gigworks ;).

Stay safe.

Re: Effect of economic crisis on America’s small businesses [slides]

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CEO of what? Bullshit inc? > If a teacher is paid the way a CEO is paid You are thinking about it wrongly. We should pay the CEO the same as the teacher. Managing a bunch of adults can't possibly be harder than teaching children. Education is an actual investment. Bullshit inc not so much.

The beauty of capitalism is "we" don't decide CEO pay. The owners of the company do, and it's paid out of the owners' pocket. Anyone is free to start a corporation, name a CEO, and pay him whatever they want to (from their money). They can even name themselves CEO!

I'm sorry, I should have explained what seems so obvious to me. Let me try put it more sensible...

We have a finite amount of labor and a finite amount of resources available to us.

The thing our governments lack since the days of lords and god kings is direction. This is necessary since a group of people poorly working together isn't smarter than the smartest person in that group.

We all do stupid shit at times, if a lot of people decide to support the same stupid thing it is entirely possible to dedicate all time and resources to throwing virgins in the volcano, smoking opium or borrow money in stead of printing it. Who knows, someone might create the ultimate video game, we could retool our entire civilization to play the game non stop.

A [proverbial] god king would have other priorities, there might be a war coming with the neighboring country, there might be regular floods, there might be an insect plague, there might be a disease or the food might be running out.

We have distributed wealth recklessly (to put it blunt) and ended up with millions of little emperors who pay their little generals whatever they like. They are constantly at war with the next little empire.

The plague or the flood simply become economic developments that one can leverage for ones advantage. What is left of our government is a vending machine that one can use as a weapon to do whatever each little empire is willing to pay for.

I should mention we've made a ton of technological progress with this role playing game. It might just be that we've created the ultimate game already and that everyone is playing it. If so I'd have to argue we have one shitty dungeon master. The adventures planned out for most of us are not very interesting. Most of us are simply chasing the carrot on the stick. The heroes are not gaining as much experience points as they could, they are not learning as many new skills and abilities as they could. We can do better and we know it.

Say you are in charge for sake of argument. The orc's are getting ready to attack from the east, the goblins from the west but all your population cares about is opium. Would you dedicate resources to making swords and training or would you give the CEO of Opium inc in his competitive struggle with Meth corp the 10 000 men he wants for a promotional parade? The people might be enraged. If we make swords who will care for the poppy fields??

> Anyone is free to start a corporation

Indeed, I could create a product triggering superior production of endorphins. I could win a large market share and then present myself as if a philanthropist on a mission to help humanity with its struggles. I could prove it by moving funds into a non profit organization that might not do anything by design or struggle hard not accomplishing anything.

It's almost funny, the real needs retooled into a vehicle for public relations. If you play enough candy crush we will be sure to defeat the orc's.

Thanks for your time.

Re: Effect of economic crisis on America’s small businesses [slides]

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post #330

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Stop spreading this. Median hospitalization age is 65. 40% of patients on icu are under 50. With the rates of hospitalization in 30-39 year olds no country would have enough icu beds even for them

Parent was referring to fatality rates and you instead presented hospitalization rates, why do you want them to stop spreading fatality rate information?

When hospitals are full, the fatality rate will approach the current hospitalization rate.

Re: Effect of economic crisis on America’s small businesses [slides]

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>>How is it a failed system? ohh I dont know, the millions upon millions that have died in starvation due to socialism over the many decades that it has been tried but those where not "real socialism" right.... Pointing to one good that some people can not afford (the reason is largely due to government control not capitalism BTW) does not in any way "prove capitalism failed" it is true that sometimes with capitalism…

It's really something witnessing /r/the_donald spill over here.

It is really something to have people confuse libertarianism with Donald Trump

Re: Effect of economic crisis on America’s small businesses [slides]

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post #481

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I'm not an expert on infection control, but I work closely with people who either work in the infection control department of a hospital, or are running their own infection prevention and control consultancy. They live and breathe this, and I am only repeating almost verbatim what they have explained to me. I'm pretty sure they have "thought this through". So believe what you want, but I'm gonna go with the experts o…

Your dismissive tone is uncalled for and not appreciated. Here's a systematic review that cites several studies that find face masks show a statistically significant effect in protection against influenza: https://www.bmj.com/content/339/bmj.b3675.short If your collaborators can point you to peer-reviewed studies that rebut these results, or to a serious current analysis that shows the impossibility (or estimates the…

> I'm willing to be dissuaded by someone who's actually thought it through, but sadly I haven't seen any such analyses.

Dismissive tone? Take a look in the mirror pal. I'm done.

Re: Effect of economic crisis on America’s small businesses [slides]

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post #473

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I stand by every comment I’ve made. None of which included personal attacks. Most of which included citations. Your personal attack is entirely inappropriate. I suggest perhaps it’s you that should take a break from the discussion. As we can see just looking at how different countries have responded, there is a wide spectrum of responses, and countries have been successful getting R0 below 1 with different approaches…

I stand by every comment I’ve made. I’m not the least bit surprised. Yes, my attack is personal, in the sense that it’s aimed directly at you and your reckless disregard for people’s lives. You’re spreading dangerous and false ideas in the face of a global pandemic, ideas that will cost tens of millions of lives if people take them seriously. There’s no reason anyone should listen to you, since you have no expertise,…

I stand with the experts that I’ve been citing. You should log off if you can’t maintain civil discourse.

You couldn’t be more wrong with your accusations, and I will continue to lend my perspective to this debate with a slant toward long-term macroeconomic thinking that I believe is essential in managing a global health crisis, and saving the most lives long-term.

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