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Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by toast0 »

dsfyu404ed wrote: post #364
toast0 wrote: post #171

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As one of the Californians moving to the PNW, I've noticed the people who most hate those darn Californians moved from California about 10-15 years ago. I've been here about 18 months, and only run into one guy who has deep roots here and was super grumpy about Californians. I'm sure it varies though depending on exactly where you are.

>I've noticed the people who most hate those darn Californians moved from California about 10-15 years ago. If you moved states to escape a problem and the problem followed you you'd be pissed too.

Thanks for that perspective, that makes a lot of sense.

Their fault for telling us where they went though. I'm gonna start telling people I moved to Texas and it's great. It's believable, and maybe people will move there and leave me be ;)

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by reilly3000 »

danans wrote: post #337
reilly3000 wrote: post #152

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Washingtonians (and moreso Idahoans) are particularly irate about Californians moving in, and have been for as long as I can remember. There are a lot of "salt of the earth" types who, regardless of political persuasion, see Californians representing big houses, loose morals, and heavy traffic. The Northwest ethos has been one of eclectic flavors of stoicism, serenity, and a nordic work ethic. Californians, in their…

> see Californians representing big houses, loose morals, and heavy traffic. I seriously doubt any place can make a defensible claim to high morals anymore, but big houses as a stereotype for California? I think that applies way more to Idaho. Space is too expensive for most people to live in big houses in CA. If anything, they go to lower population density states like TX and the South to get the bigger houses avail…

I was referring to the big houses they can easily buy when moving to the PNW. Its very common for somebody who was struggling to afford an $800K mortgage on a 3bd/2ba in CA to get a 6bd on 2 acres with a lovely view and a smaller mortgage in the PNW.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by lightedman »

MattyRad wrote: post #318
smsm42 wrote: post #178

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> Petty crime is increasing, and state laws are only enabling this - people are sick of it. I wonder if people considered voting the politicians who made these laws out. Judging from CA voting patterns, probably not. And then when it gets really bad, they move to another state and likely vote for the same policies that caused them to move in the first place.

Reno resident here. Policy change is something I tend to worry about given there's been a huge influx of Californian "refugees" over past the several years. If California continues its trajectory with housing costs and homelessness, it could definitely "bleed over." Homelessness isn't as big of an issue here than it is in California (I expect in part because of the colder weather), but housing costs have definitely b…

"If California continues its trajectory with housing costs and homelessness, it could definitely "bleed over.""

Half of our problem with homelessness comes from the other states, yours included, sending your homeless to us, one-way, and then you expect US to pay for their asses.

Go kick your local politician in the ass instead of bitching about us, because we aren't where the problem lies on that particular front.

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Post by toephu2 »

GhettoChild wrote: post #184
jedberg wrote: post #55

Every person I know who's left California did it because of housing costs (except for one, who did it to get away from "the damn liberal government that wants to take my guns"). We have a major housing cost crisis in this state, as well as a big NIMBY problem. There have been good solutions run up through the state house, that either fail to pass or get so watered down they are no longer effective, in large part beca…

I was one of those who moved from the SFBay to Texas. Knowing that for what i'd need to save up for a down payment for a home in the bay is enough to buy a house in Texas cash was an extremely strong motivating factor.

Of course Texas has its downsides too.. the weather, the traffic (depends what city), less tech jobs to name a few?

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

toast0 wrote: post #472
Keverw wrote: post #272

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Yeah, I was wondering how that'd apply to getting accepted in YC... Maybe you intend to go back home after the 3 months or locate to another city big in tech like Austin or Boston. Wonder if California would try to say you were a resident, however I feel like YC would be more similar logically to how college students are treated since usually you are still a resident of where your parents live, unless you intend to g…

In that case, if it comes up, I think California would be looking at your living situation: are you in a temporary living situation, like a long term stay hotel, or did you rent an apartment and move your stuff. Did you forward your mail and change your accounts? Are you visiting home, or are people visiting you in California. What did you actually do after the YC period, etc. If you're living and working in Californ…

California has one way out:

California allows a domiciled taxpayer to be taxed as a nonresident of the state if they are outside of California for an uninterrupted period of at least 546 days under an employment related contract, unless they have intangible income of greater than $200,000, or the principal reason for their absence is tax avoidance.1 The employment related contract can be in another country or another state. The taxpayer is also allowed to have up to 45 days of presence in the state each tax year before they no longer can claim the safe harbor. A person can start filing as a nonresident on the presumption that their out-of-state assignment will last the required 18 months; but if for some reason their foreign employment terminates early and the 546 day requirement will not be met, any tax years for which the taxpayer treated themselves as a nonresident must be refiled as a resident and all taxes owed for that period must be paid.

(https://www.amexpattax.com/news/alleviating-double-taxation-...)

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Post by prawn »

ttwwmm wrote: post #453
prawn wrote: post #385

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Can you talk more about the state laws? Are they not discouraging homelessness or are they too weak on petty crime?

Here's some background on homelessness: https://calmatters.org/explainers/californias-homelessness-c... I don't expect that you intended it this way, but be aware that the way you've phrased the question is likely to offend --- homelessness is complex and most homeless folks aren't criminals.

I certainly didn't mean to intend, only wondered if the parent intended to conflate the two issues and was trying to find out. I find the issue of homelessness a fascinating puzzle of many issues and wonder how it might be solved.

That link looks good - cheers.

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Post by ipnon »

BoorishBears wrote: post #423
sudosteph wrote: post #56

Native North Carolinian checking in. I'm from Charlotte and I can honestly say that I grew up with more friends who had parents from New York than from NC. A lot of middle class people from upstate NY settled in Charlotte due to the economic opportunities and weather. I'd wager that this migration really started about 30 years ago, and we're seeing the numbers increase even further due to network effects. For example…

I know a lot of these conversations are about families and older people than me, so an anecdote from the POV of a 26 year old I just moved from Durham, NC back to New England after a year (Moved to NYC specifically, this is my first time in a truly large city) I can't for the life of me figure out why anyone in my age group (and in tech) would want to move to Durham/Raleigh from NYC, except for raising a family The c…

90% of people become parents [0]. Raising children is difficult in a city where single people struggle.

[0] https://www.quora.com/What-percentage-of-people-become-paren...

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Post by hkmurakami »

smaili wrote: post #359
JauntTrooper wrote: post #251

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We moved from San Francisco to New York City after having kids mostly due to housing and public schools. We miss the city and our friends, but couldn't see ourselves there long term. New York City is expensive, but there are areas of relative affordability that feel much more accessible, comfortable, and safer than the Bay Area.

> New York City is expensive, but there are areas of relative affordability that feel much more accessible, comfortable, and safer than the Bay Area. Could you share which areas? I've been exploring NYC as well but have yet to stumble upon any areas that match what you described.

Swaths of Brooklyn and Queens. The thing with NYC compared to the Bay is that their public transit makes living in the relative sprawl much more reasonable than Bay commute traffic

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Post by tropo »

tidology wrote: post #382

Besides the usual issues with SF, Bay Area .. really California: homeless, cost of living, fires (health), earthquake one of the most concerning aspect for me are taxes! You pay tons of state taxes to get pretty much nothing in return. I and my wife have 2 years of run away. Wait for my kid to finish the pre-school cycle, after which we are out of here. We have already begun to look into alternatives and evaluating p…

So... are you going to vote like a Californian, ruining those states, and then look for a new state? People sort of end up with the government they deserve, even if they don't like the result.

California would be great if it were filled with a mix of people from Texas, Wyoming, Oklahoma, West Virginia, New Hampshire, Florida, Iowa, Idaho, and Kentucky. The laws would be very different. There would be much more freedom, including lower taxes.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Post by burlesona »

BurningFrog wrote: post #159
jedberg wrote: post #83

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Actually one of the things I miss the most in the Bay Area is conservatives. I don't know a single one that's out of the closet! To me, that's really really broken. I'd love to live somewhere "purple", where people of all opinions coexist peacefully. Do places like that still exist?

I lived in Raleigh, NC for a while, and I found it very "purple" with people mostly coexisting amicably. I've been gone a while so I don't know if that aspect of things has changed, but it's a very nice place to live, so well worth checking out :)
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