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Re: Netflix, HBO and Cable Giants Are Coming for Password Sharers

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Post by achenatx »

jmastrangelo wrote: post #469
gdhbcc wrote: post #459

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>Dude ... >This comes off as incredibly self-entitled and arrogant. >That ~~piece of art~~ bag of Rice? It takes years and tremendous amount of people hours to bring these ~~films~~ grains of rice into existence your enjoyment. I grew up in ~~Hollywood~~ a farm, in family of ~~filmmakers~~ farmers. My friends are ~~actors, producers~~ farmer, harvesters, and well anybody else who is involved in the business - and we…

I don't see how changing the commodity from media to rice improves your argument, if anything it weakens it. Of course people who grow your food need to be compensated for it! Otherwise they'll stop growing your food. You're not entitled to steal rice from food manufacturers. Secondly media is far more complex than the art we've had for millenia. The sheer amount of resources to create a modern movie dwarfs what arti…

and the state enforces and subsidizes every business model.

The laws against theft, contract law, corporate law, tax law, equities laws, real estate law are there to allow business to be done in a secure trustable way.

Subsidies exist for all businesses like roads, electricity, farm subsidies, tariffs, protect business models, and allow businesses to transport goods for a low cost or protect them from competition.

Re: Netflix, HBO and Cable Giants Are Coming for Password Sharers

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Post by Slippery_John »

koolba wrote: post #5

> But taking more aggressive measures poses risks. The people using services for free — especially younger consumers — may never agree to sign up for a subscription, no matter how many hassles they endure. That means companies would mostly just be alienating paying customers, who could get frustrated and stop using an app or cancel their service. In other words, there’s plenty of downside and possibly little upside.…

Well Netflix does have such plans, which is why this article confuses me. The additional concurrent streams is a huge selling point of the premium plans.

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Post by bobbylarrybobby »

tenebrisalietum wrote: post #259
dobleboble wrote: post #171

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Convenience does not justify theft. You don't have an entitlement to consume specific content.

I mean most of this in a devil's-advocate sense: The proper economic arrangement for those who wish to make a living with creative works is patronage. Someone asks you to make something, you make it for them, then you get paid. You then don't get paid until you make another work. Thus content creators shouldn't have an automatic entitlement to get paid each time someone reads/listens to/watches a work. If you work on…

> it’s only fair you get paid once

It’s fair you get paid an amount commensurate with the quality of the work you produced. The quality is determined by the number of people who view it, so while in effect it’s payment per view, it’s not practically different than having an oracle who can perfectly assess quality of work pay the artist once up front.

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Post by diminoten »

LeoNatan25 wrote: post #327
diminoten wrote: post #318

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You could run it off of a laptop sitting in your closet and be able to support 3-5 simultaneous users no problem. It'd be a benefit if you had 1GBPS symmetric fiber, though. But yeah, RPi is rough because you do need legit CPU to transcode on the fly, which is what Plex does, and the more users the more transcoding power you need.

It's possible to cache Plex encodes, I think. But Plex is very limited in its encoding capabilities. H265 with HDR is just not supported properly. On top of that, there is just no way to encode H265 in real time (a high quality reencode of a Bluray can take days on top of the line Xeon CPUs). One would be better off downloading a few versions of the same movie; plex supports choosing which version to play.

Why should I care about any of that? I just want to watch 30 Rock, not run an A/V store.

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Post by diminoten »

LeoNatan25 wrote: post #321
diminoten wrote: post #315

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Sorry, I'm not, and there simply is no moral argument for pirating content, because no , if you believe in intellectual property, the is nothing whatsoever different about stealing a laptop and downloading a movie. If you believe in intellectual property, piracy is amoral. It's not pure evil incarnate, but harms more than it helps. And yeah, of course I would download that laptop. Doesn't mean I should!

I find it difficult to have any remorse, given that this industry is one of the most morally bankrupt and predatory. Sorry, agree to disagree. > Sorry, I'm not Indeed you are. Even US law disagrees with you, and that is some of the most ridiculous.

Yep there it is; I don't feel bad because I'm hurting bad people. Thank you for saying it, but it's no excuse.

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Post by diminoten »

monocasa wrote: post #275
diminoten wrote: post #196

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You couldn't be more wrong. You do not have an entitlement to intellectual property, our entire society is built on top of that concept. It's more like you're saying you get to use any logos you want because you can download the images for them on their website. The only reason you can listen to a concert outside of the venue is because there's no way to stop you that's also in any way proportionate to the crime. Edi…

> You do not have an entitlement to intellectual property, our entire society is built on top of that concept. Our society is based on the idea that the public in fact does have an entitlement to all IP except trademarks. The Constitution is pretty clear that it's a limited monopoly that was originally 14 years for copyright. When that's been perverted so that "forever minus a day" is a limited copyright, then I don'…

No it's not and no it doesn't. You are 100% wrong.

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Post by arthens »

harryh wrote: post #106
me_me_me wrote: post #100

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The moment I needed a bloody table with different companies/packages/subscription in order to figure-out how to watch that show I heard from a friend, I just go to a place where i can get it right now and watch it with my food still warm. Its not customer's fault that the only option for that is now piracy. You want my business earn it, I've yet to see people jumping hurdles and run 10km to get McD burger. Then momen…

I remember 10 years ago that the answer to rayiner's question was always "I don't want to pay a ton of money for a whole bundle of crap I don't want when all I want to watch is one specific thing." I saw it all the time. Now people complain about the complexities of unbundling. It's fairly clear to me that these complaints, while real, aren't the core issue which is: people would rather get content for free than pay…

I think you might be underestimating how much the market has changed.

The group of people who used to complain about bundling, is largely not the same as the people who are now complaining about unbundling.

What happening is basically reverse price anchoring. Most young people have never paid for cable, and their idea how much this service is worth is based on the price of Netflix.

I'm one of them. I'm already not sure if I get enough out of my Netflix subscription, paying for 2+ subscriptions would be unthinkable for me right now. I couldn't care less that people used to pay $160+ so even with 5-6 subscriptions I would still be better off than cable. It just doesn't match my idea of how much this content is worth.

I think it will take the industry a long time to significantly raise how much people think these services are worth. I can't see it getting it back to a similar price point as it was in the past.

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Post by DanBC »

dmitrygr wrote: post #234
DanBC wrote: post #61

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You're ignoring the history. Disney for years resisted selling films on videos because they had no way of controlling how many people would be in the room watching the content. And they investigated single-use tapes (these had a latch that prevented rewinding, you'd have to send the tape back to the factory to be re-wound) and 24 hour DVDs (these would be sealed in an oxygen free case and would start oxidising on con…

googling around i cannot find any info on this single-use tape story. do you have a link? I did find the dvd one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flexplay

Cartrivision: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartrivision

> Cassettes of major movies such as The Bridge on the River Kwai, Guess Who's Coming to Dinner, Dr. Strangelove, High Noon, It Happened One Night, Divorce Italian Style, The Quiet Man, The Belles of St Trinian's, Two Rode Together and Brother Rat[4] were ordered via the initial 200-movie catalog at a retailer, delivered by parcel mail, and then returned to the retailer after viewing. These rental cassettes were red, approximately 7 inches (180 mm) high by 6.5 inches (170 mm) wide by 1.5 inches (38 mm) deep (however used the same videotape used today) and could not be rewound by a home Cartrivision recorder. Rather, they were rewound by a special machine upon their return to the retailer.[5] Other cassettes on sports, travel, art, and how-to topics were available for purchase. These cassettes were black, and could be rewound on a Cartrivision recorder. An optional monochrome camera manufactured for Cartrivision by Eumig could be bought to make home videos. A color camera was in the works but never materialized before CTI's demise.

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Post by vijayr02 »

papln wrote: post #168
toomuchtodo wrote: post #89

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Let's split the difference. It'd be like parking outside the drive-in theater and watching the movie from the top of your car without having bought a ticket. Still not good, but of limited harm caused.

It's OK if I steal a copy because someone else is willing to pay for it. Ask Immanuel Kant how he feels about that.

Sincerely, I can't
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