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قلب: a non-ASCII programming language written in Arabic

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Re: قلب: a non-ASCII programming language written in Arabic

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Time is limited. I'd be lying if I said that I read all comments in full when their first paragraph appear to be nonsense. I'd rather move on to the next comment.

Is this what it means for communities to be too large? Like, you'd never do this to a coworker or a friend, but here there's enough content and users that you can say "fuck it" and assume you know better than what you didn't actually read.

In fairness, lots of people talk over their friends.

Re: قلب: a non-ASCII programming language written in Arabic

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I think you mean, --sprache=deutsch

Imagine the CLI...

It's already there, I've often seen console output with translated error messages. Helpful for the users but not of much use to developers, unless using error codes as well

Re: قلب: a non-ASCII programming language written in Arabic

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The tech community greatly benefits from settling on a lingua franca. Imagine if everyone posted on StackExchange using their native tongue.

> The tech community greatly benefits from settling on a lingua franca Maybe we see that in a few years, with everything moving to Chinese. > Imagine if everyone posted on StackExchange using their native tongue. Imagine users going to forums in their own language. People actually do that.

People have been talking about "everything will be moving to Chinese in the next few years" for the last ~20 years.

Re: قلب: a non-ASCII programming language written in Arabic

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Think it would be --lang=deutsch. Gotta internationalize the command-line flags too!

I think you mean, --sprache=deutsch

How about having them just as flags then?

python --deutsch mein-kampf.py

python --ελληνικά φορολογία.πυ

Re: قلب: a non-ASCII programming language written in Arabic

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I'm not sure how an arabic speaker having to learn english is better than you having to learn arabic.

It's not, but I don't get your point.

Your underlying point seems to be that the world would be better if we all spoke one language.

I disagree, and to my mind programming is no different than linguistics in this regard.

Re: قلب: a non-ASCII programming language written in Arabic

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I was interested in hearing what using Arabic as a scripting language might do to change how code might be written -- not just a translation of words, but are there features of a language that are distinct from English that it would actually change our assumptions about a scripting language? The video mentioned how the ligatures of Arabic can stretch, to allow fixed-width justification, which was neat, although it do…

>Consider, for instance, if English didn't have any imperative form, and instead everything were a request. Would declarative languages like Prolog have been the default?

You realize that this is the foundation of classic OOP, right?

http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/1998-...

Alan Kay: "The big idea is "messaging" -- that is what the kernal of Smalltalk/Squeak is all about (and it's something that was never quite completed in our Xerox PARC phase). The Japanese have a small word -- ma -- for "that which is in between" -- perhaps the nearest English equivalent is "interstitial". The key in making great and growable systems is much more to design how its modules communicate rather than what their internal properties and behaviors should be."

Re: قلب: a non-ASCII programming language written in Arabic

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A lot of people don't speak English and I think it's main barrier to become a programmer or QA engineer.

It's also a barrier to becoming a scientific researcher, an airline pilot, or working at an international company. If you're going to communicate with people from other cultures, you need a shared language, and many international contexts have centered on varieties of English for that shared language.

Interesting thing: Airline pilots use imperial units instead of metric. They're an odd outlier where the argument used for metric works for imperial. Airlines in all but a few countries use it.

https://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/2566/what-is-th...

Re: قلب: a non-ASCII programming language written in Arabic

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Yes, they are. There is a huge difference between having a language as you mother tongue versus having it as a secondary one. My English is reasonably good, I started young (at age 10) and yet, by the time I was 14 or so the programming books I had access to were way over my head. If English had been my first language I would have had a much easier time. It's not about English speakers tolerance, it is all about the…

Semi related question: Did you pick up the word "grok" from reading Stranger in a Strange Land or from somewhere else? That book was so much about the importance of the martian language and how language shapes perception.

For me, I learned the word from the Jargon file first where it explains it was from the book, I then read the book later on in life. http://catb.org/jargon/html/G/grok.html
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