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Colorado Town Offers 1 Gbps for $60 After Years of Battling Comcast

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Re: Colorado Town Offers 1 Gbps for $60 After Years of Battling Comcast

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> gigabit with a 1 TB data cap and only 90 Mb/s upload Do you actually get that throughput or is it bullshit and you get 1/50 that rate? Post some real stats based on your own personal benchmarking which we can verify. Thanks.

This is aggressive and unnecessary language.

Adopting an antagonistic stance towards American telecoms is a patriotic duty of all functional Americans.

Re: Colorado Town Offers 1 Gbps for $60 After Years of Battling Comcast

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CenturyLink, in particular, but also Comcast, has brought this upon themselves... They are doing everything they can to protect their existing infrastructure and do as little as possible to upgrade services. I'm thinking of back in '98 when QWest was rolling out DSL, the would only connect you to a central office. They refused to put DSLAMs in the pedestals, because if they did that they had to allow CLECs to do the…

>You can get gigabit now for around $100/mo, if you commit to a year. I'm just sitting on 120mbps for $90/mo, because people the next neighborhood over are getting door hangers saying the city fiber is coming soon. I'm in FoCo and I think that gigabit is now $70 bc of the city announcement, but that is only an "intro" price (love that about comcast). It is also AFAIK not bi-directional gig. Uploads are still capped a…

I think I checked 3 weeks ago, right about the time Connexion was saying they were lighting their first household in the next couple days. I MIGHT be misremembering the $100 gigabit, because they had a staggering number of offers (many different speed options with many different terms), but I think I recall there being a 400Mbps@$60/mo offer and the gigabit was $90 or $99 with a year commitment.

Would be VERY entertaining if they dropped it by $30-40 in the weeks since...

I was thinking about getting one of the lower levels because I'm on an older 120Mbps plan, which started out at $60 for a year or two, then jumped up. I'm not expecting Connexion any time soon, because of my location, but then I realized I need a new cable modem to get the new offer, so most of the saving over a year would be eaten up ($130 for a Surfboard).

Then the roads a block away started getting marked for utility locates. Hmm, I should ask one of my neighbors how crazy utility locates are, he works for a company that does utility locates...

Re: Colorado Town Offers 1 Gbps for $60 After Years of Battling Comcast

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The Denver tech job scene is pretty strong. A lot of startups and a growing corporate outpost presence, as well as all of the "old tech" around the Tech Center. Northern Colorado (Longmont, Ft. Collins) has traditionally been a center for hardware design and test equipment, but unfortunately most of these companies have shrunk overall and have reduced their Colorado presence. I would say that in recent years the epic…

Agreed - I wish FoCo could attract more tech companies - it is a great city with highly educated people (esp with CSU here). But for now your best bet is remote work if you want to get paid a salary equal to the COL of FoCo (which is almost the same as Denver/Boulder). Sadly due to lack of competition in tech, the few tech companies here pay well below market because they can. You can literally move to Boulder/Den an…

Agreed. Live in FoCo, work remotely for this reason.

Re: Colorado Town Offers 1 Gbps for $60 After Years of Battling Comcast

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CenturyLink, in particular, but also Comcast, has brought this upon themselves... They are doing everything they can to protect their existing infrastructure and do as little as possible to upgrade services. I'm thinking of back in '98 when QWest was rolling out DSL, the would only connect you to a central office. They refused to put DSLAMs in the pedestals, because if they did that they had to allow CLECs to do the…

I'm in a combo CenturyLink / Comcast market, and it's AMAZING what competition between even just those two firms does to my offerings. Switched from Comcast's $90/mo gigabit with a 1 TB data cap and only 90 Mb/s upload to CenturyLink's $60/mo symmetric gigabit with no data cap. I have a contract-less "lifetime price guarantee", they did free install (which included running a fiber line from the pole to my house with…

> gigabit with a 1 TB data cap and only 90 Mb/s upload

Do you actually get that throughput, or is it nonsense and you in real life only get 1/50 that rate? Please be so kind as to post some actual stats based on your own personal benchmarking which we can VERIFY. Thank you very much good sir!

Re: Colorado Town Offers 1 Gbps for $60 After Years of Battling Comcast

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The availability area for CenturyLink gigabit in Denver is tiny [1] and hasn't grown much over the last few years as far as I can tell. [1] https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1iOdQ6O5Nv9AkqN29de...

I had a gigabit fiber-to-the-home connection in an area inside of Denver city limits (more than 3 years ago by the way) that is not shown on your linked map, so your data source for this is not accurate.

The parent comment is a better reflection of the state of CL's fiber rollout than you might think. I recently did the exercise of trying to figure out what homes did and didn't have fiber from them all around Denver.

Re: Colorado Town Offers 1 Gbps for $60 After Years of Battling Comcast

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The board of selectmen were always interesting in my town (at least to me, I didn’t really understand it as a child). Not sure if we are over the 12K minimum, but I doubt anyone would call us a city even if we were. Municipal ISP would have been cool, but I think power would be a better option first. A neighboring town (either Mansfield or Medfield) as municipal power and compares to us during storms they do great (a…

My father served on the board of selectmen for my town when I was growing up. He was so miserable during that time, it taught me to never, ever go into politics.

I can imagine. By ‘interesting’ I should have clarified: it’s like watching a bunch of kids argue over who can take care of a pet rock better, but in reality the rock is a cat being neglected in the corner.

Not all selectmen are terrible, but it only takes a few bad eggs to make it hell for everyone.

I should also note that analogies are not my forte.

Re: Colorado Town Offers 1 Gbps for $60 After Years of Battling Comcast

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> GDP per capita is a proxy for local price level No, this is incorrect. GDP is a proxy for production in nominal terms. If it were just a proxy for local price level, then every place would have the same real income and would differ solely by relative prices. That the U.S. has a a GDP/capita that is 4x times some other nation does not mean that prices are 4x lower in the other nation.

GDP is a measure of production in nominal terms. It’s a rough proxy for labor prices (the kind of price I was talking about). That’s because a dominant component of GDP is personal incomes.

It's a rough proxy of production. Even assuming constant labor shares and working hours (which are not all constant), wages are higher in A than in B because workers produce more per hour in A than they do in B, and then there is a relative price effect. But it's not all a relative price effect, it's not a proxy for the relative price effect, and for large multiples, productivity dominates relative price effects for most occupations.

When you are asking "how much would it cost to do something in B than in A", workers in B might be paid 4x more than in A, but you may also need 1/4 of the workers to do the same job. So the issue isn't wages, it's output per unit work, primarily because of accumulated human and physical capital, as well as things like infrastructure, legal system, needing to pay bribes or efficiency wages, etc.

Re: Colorado Town Offers 1 Gbps for $60 After Years of Battling Comcast

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>I personally appreciate the headline saying "town" in a colloquial sense But that's the problem. It's not a "town" in a colloquial sense for anyone who grew up outside of major metro areas. If 170k is not enough, then there are no cities in Wyoming, Montana, North Dakota, nor South Dakota.

Well, I'm inclined to agree with that claim...

And you would be wrong. There are many cities in those states that contain all of the components of larger cities (universities, self-governance, public transit, international airports, etc).

The difference between 100k and 1 million residents is much less significant than the difference between 10k and 100k.

Re: Colorado Town Offers 1 Gbps for $60 After Years of Battling Comcast

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Yup and there are large swaths of Seattle where Century Link doesn’t have competitive speeds to Comcast. Cities should have even more competition for service providers than rural areas.

Yes! I live in Seattle and whenever I try their checker it tells me "Great! You qualify for up to 12Mbps" for $45/mo. I'm not a fan of Comcast, but that Century Link offer is a poor joke in comparison. And this is despite living less than three blocks from a Century Link building crammed full of machines (I can hear the hum from the sidewalk when I go by). I don't get it.

It's the cost of the last mile, and the difficulty and expense of running those wires.
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