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MacBook Pro Keyboard Drives Me Crazy

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Re: MacBook Pro Keyboard Drives Me Crazy

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> If Apple releases their new Macs with an identical keyboard, then I'm ditching Macs and will pick up a Microsoft Surface Book or something similar. Whatever it is, I'll make sure to pick a laptop that has a god damned functional keyboard. Same here, MBP keyboards are unbearable. Trying to develop on OSX has become a hassle. Gotta jump through hoops to get gdb to work. Windows with WSL on a Surface Book feels extrem…

Switch to Linux! (Yes, I know I'm one of those people.)

No.

Re: MacBook Pro Keyboard Drives Me Crazy

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The primary difference is whether you think it's alright to spend £35 on a single simple cable or not. Many things that follow simply hinge on that.

Its never this simple. I switched from 2016 macbook pro to dell xps 13 running linux. I spent 2 weeks tinkering. Trackpad never worked half as good as MBP. The simple act of closing the display lid did not even put the computer to sleep reliably. I went back and paid the Apple tax. Edit: BTW, Windows was running OK on that machine. Linux was fucked. I guess Microsoft is doing great work on WSL2. It might be the solut…

I have been running Arch (Gnome/Wayland) on a Dell XPS13 9380 for more than 6 months now without any issue except the fingerprint reader not being recognized.

The Arch wiki page for the 9370 really helped, especially since initially the battery was draining on sleep, not after applying the recommendations.

I dock it on USB-C 3.1 dock. The display switches instantly. The Gnome/Wayland fractional scaling is however not good, the image is blurry. I don't use it.

Re: MacBook Pro Keyboard Drives Me Crazy

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I switched to a Thinkpad after I had the horror of using a new Macbook. Running Ubuntu is lovely, so much so that for a developer there is little reason to be using a Macbook anymore. You can get a lot more bang for the buck using a Thinkpad AND have a functional keyboard. Apple should be very worried. Once they loose the developers, users won't be long to follow.

There are four of us at work that use Linux--the other 30 or so all have MacBooks. There are no converts, either you started a Linux person, or you started a Mac person. My little Linux enclave has some theories about the cognitive effect of all the polish that you find on Apple products, but we can't separate our biasses from good science, especially because there's nobody to ask that knows both worlds. So I have a…

I work on Linux full time at work and use a Mac at home, both primarily for creative work. The Linux experience has some strengths, but you feel required to spend a significant amount of time customising your environment to reduce workflow friction. The Mac is great out of the box, and in general gets out of your way. The basics are rock solid.

Re: MacBook Pro Keyboard Drives Me Crazy

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The monotony of this complaint is driving me crazy. It's really simple. 1. If you don't care about MacOS, and want a different keyboard, please buy a Lenovo Carbon X1 and leave us happy Macbook Pro users in peace. 2. If your keyboard breaks, Apple will replace it free. The newer gen keyboards generally don't break. 3. If you really can't type on this keyboard and you really love MacOS, there are lots of decent thin B…

To paraphrase the words of Michael Bolton in Office Space: “Why should we change when Apple’s keyboard is the one that sucks?”

Re: MacBook Pro Keyboard Drives Me Crazy

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There are four of us at work that use Linux--the other 30 or so all have MacBooks. There are no converts, either you started a Linux person, or you started a Mac person. My little Linux enclave has some theories about the cognitive effect of all the polish that you find on Apple products, but we can't separate our biasses from good science, especially because there's nobody to ask that knows both worlds. So I have a…

The ability to modify literally anything you can interact with is amazing on linux. However.... it's also very time consuming, so I basically never do that. Linux out of the box without tweaking it will have a lot of behavior you may or may not agree with. I found it to be very difficult to adjust away from the cohesive interfaces found on the mac—you can use readline keybindings on all forms, which only very rarely…

> Linux out of the box without tweaking it will have a lot of behavior you may or may not agree with

I hear this from people who choose to use arch and Gentoo then complain that Linux requires much tweaking.

Install Ubuntu and be done with it. Or if you want things to work like a Mac, go with elementary OS.

If you still feel it's not _exactly_ to your liking, then I suggest you move back to osx.

Re: MacBook Pro Keyboard Drives Me Crazy

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The monotony of this complaint is driving me crazy. It's really simple. 1. If you don't care about MacOS, and want a different keyboard, please buy a Lenovo Carbon X1 and leave us happy Macbook Pro users in peace. 2. If your keyboard breaks, Apple will replace it free. The newer gen keyboards generally don't break. 3. If you really can't type on this keyboard and you really love MacOS, there are lots of decent thin B…

Sorry, but when you throw around $2000 you'd expect a better product. Especially when you come from an older version of the device. And every customer has the right to complain about this. So no, they won't leave you in peace - they got every right to do so. Apple did a bad thing and took years to recognize it.

(typing on a mechanical keyboard attached to a Thinkpad T480)

Re: MacBook Pro Keyboard Drives Me Crazy

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So he's writing today about last year's keyboard, when the laptops introduced a few months ago have a different keyboard already? I mean, good for him, but his complaint is literally a duplicate of what other people said about the butterfly keyboards for a couple years. I'm not aware yet of these complaints continuing to apply with the newest rev. Obviously Apple fucked up on these, and obviously they're trying to fi…

So basically "buy the newer hardware and shut up"?

Re: MacBook Pro Keyboard Drives Me Crazy

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As a life-long Mac user, I feel the opposite. Whenever I have to use Windows, it feels like Windows Explorer is missing lots of features I take for granted, some that the Mac has had since the 90's. Stuff like spring-loaded drag and drop, directory sizes being calculated in list views, QuickLook... It also has some really braindead design choices like sorting directories separate from files, making navigating with th…

Interesting. I use a MBP for work, and hate that Finder intermixes directories and files. I much prefer having directories sorted separately: it makes it easier to drill down through a hierarchy of all the directories are grouped together...

Finder has a preference item called "Keep folders on top" for both "In windows when sorting by name" and "On Desktop".

Re: MacBook Pro Keyboard Drives Me Crazy

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The monotony of this complaint is driving me crazy. It's really simple. 1. If you don't care about MacOS, and want a different keyboard, please buy a Lenovo Carbon X1 and leave us happy Macbook Pro users in peace. 2. If your keyboard breaks, Apple will replace it free. The newer gen keyboards generally don't break. 3. If you really can't type on this keyboard and you really love MacOS, there are lots of decent thin B…

Sorry, but when you throw around $2000 you'd expect a better product. Especially when you come from an older version of the device. And every customer has the right to complain about this. So no, they won't leave you in peace - they got every right to do so. Apple did a bad thing and took years to recognize it. (typing on a mechanical keyboard attached to a Thinkpad T480)

Sorry, but Apple did a really great thing with this keyboard. I absolutely love it, and its a shame that its going away because people like to complain on the internet.
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