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Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by zelon88 »

I haven't made up my mind yet. Just thinking out loud for those who don't know what to think yet.....

An upload filter would be good for the internet because.....

-It prevents copyright holders from being infringed upon and having to produce paperwork to enforce their copyright.

-It could possible prevent harmful material from being uploaded before it can be reviewed.

-It puts liability on the tech companies to account for their platforms.

-It protects content creators.

An upload filter would be bad for the internet because.....

-It raises the bar for entry into the tech market.

-It increases the amount of work a new-comer in the market must do before launching a product.

-It adds a lot of localized complexity to the internet.

-The internet was not made to satisfy the requirements of sovereign nations each imposing their own arbitrary laws.

-The internet was supposed too/has the potential to be a globalist resource that transcended political borders.

An upload filter would be good for my business because.....

-It requires me to perform some due diligence on user-submitted data that I otherwise would probably overlook.

-It reduces the likelihood that I'll receive a DCMA takedown request.

-It will increase public trust and perceived security.

-People like to see compliance with regulations, even the ones they don't agree with.

-I could roll out the filter to all users and market it as an added layer of protection.

An upload filter would be bad for my business because.....

-It greatly increases the amount of time I must spend processing simple uploads.

-The user must wait for the file to be processed before they can continue using my service (assuming they want to use their file right away).

-It will cost time and resources to design, test, and deploy a filter.

-It adds complexity.

-I will need some frame of reference before I can determine if a file is original or copyrighted.

-I cannot trust the user to tell me if they own the rights to an uploaded file.

-I could try and geo-fence Europe so I don't have to filter non-European files but what if the copyright holder being infringed is in Europe?

-What if a file I filtered out has a copyright holder in the US who has no rights in Europe?

-Technically OSS is copyrighted. A file licensed under MIT might not be infringing anything although a file licensed under GPLv3 might be infringing.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by Juliate »

mrep wrote: post #403
Juliate wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One could even argue that this could trigger a new wave of self-hosting/publishing.

Depends on how the link tax is played out. If companies are forced to pay a websites owner to link to it, I doubt even Google or Facebook would pay for that considering Google dropped German websites when they tried to get Google to pay them with their own link tax law. Then you'd have your website, but nothing would link to it and you would never get any traffic besides the people you specifically tell about it.

Depends yes.

But even if it plays a restrictive tune, what if we use /robots.txt to explicitly tell if the website or specific contents can be freely indexed & linked to?

It smells like an opportunity to reboot the Web in a less centralized fashion.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by i6tjvo »

zaarn wrote: post #262
montenegrohugo wrote: post #241

A big part of the problem is that there is no single entity that defends the citizens interest in this instance. You have the Disney's of the world heavily lobbying to pass reforms like these, but who protests against it? - Online signatures? Gets laughed out of the room. They could be fake, they don't mean anything, they are paid, etc.. - Voting? Voting cycles are too long and voting decisions cannot be made on a si…

EU Elections are coming up. Vote for the pirate faction in your country or check who voted what and only vote for those parties that voted against A13 or if there are none, parties that are vocal against A13. Same goes for your countries own election cycle.

Let's be honest here, I have much bigger fish to fry. I like a free Internet, but it's low on my list of concerns, way below affordable housing, much stricter control of my country's borders, better support for entrepreneurs, more security and better police, etc. I'm not going to vote for a "pirate party" as if that was the most important thing in my life.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by swebs »

montenegrohugo wrote: post #241

A big part of the problem is that there is no single entity that defends the citizens interest in this instance. You have the Disney's of the world heavily lobbying to pass reforms like these, but who protests against it? - Online signatures? Gets laughed out of the room. They could be fake, they don't mean anything, they are paid, etc.. - Voting? Voting cycles are too long and voting decisions cannot be made on a si…

I like the idea of referendums. It shows how much people care about important issues. Internet polls are useless since they can be cheated and petitions suck because they don't measure how many people are opposed to the petition.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by bufferoverflow »

aequitas wrote: post #476
bufferoverflow wrote: post #242

So anybody can now shut down any website in the EU that allows uploading of images or text or video or audio?

They can't because you won't be allowed to upload anything that doesn't pass the content filter, or anything at all for that matter.

Are you saying every single EU website will have a filter for all uploads?

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by Vinnl »

jaabe wrote: post #321

I know this is an extremely unpopular opinion, but I’m actually fine with more equality in copyright legislation. These “disastrous” copyright laws already apply to you and me, and if you think they don’t, then just try hosting a top 1 music video on your personal domain. Where the laws don’t apply is if your service is to host user content and you have the size to circumvent justice. YouTube makes a lot of money off…

> Where the laws don’t apply is if your service is to host user content and you have the size to circumvent justice.

I haven't looked into it too closely, but isn't it the case that they do apply if a platform doesn't have the size, but is more than three years old?

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by fock »

jonny_eh wrote: post #305
vedantroy wrote: post #272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know whether Article 11/13 are good or bad (although at first glance they seem to be bad), but I don't think this attitude of "forcing freedom" onto others is good. The entire attitude that I should "regain [my] freedom" seems condescending. I don't want to use a P2P alternative to YouTube or Reddit, because 99% of the content is on Reddit/YouTube. I'm well aware that YouTube collects and sells my personal da…

YouTube doesn't sell your data.

no, because it's using the data themselves to make even more money out of you. When once one agency collected data, sold it to advertisers, which sold ads to companies, which bought space in papers, YT is collection-agency, ad-agency and paper all in one – which should be kind of scary for any regular user.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by zoobab »

onlydeadheroes wrote: post #316
montenegrohugo wrote: post #241

A big part of the problem is that there is no single entity that defends the citizens interest in this instance. You have the Disney's of the world heavily lobbying to pass reforms like these, but who protests against it? - Online signatures? Gets laughed out of the room. They could be fake, they don't mean anything, they are paid, etc.. - Voting? Voting cycles are too long and voting decisions cannot be made on a si…

Torify all the things. Let them legislate over a graveyard.

Exactly.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by isostatic »

tremon wrote: post #439
bad_user wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, but the Brexit referendum is the perfect example of choices that should not be made directly by the population, because it lacks the competence to foresee the effects or even to distinguish fact from fiction. If you told UK citizens that the choice is in fact for a No Deal Brexit and what that will mean, they wouldn't have voted for Brexit. However the population was lied to about the economic benefits and vot…

the Brexit referendum is the perfect example of choices that should not be made directly by the population I disagree. I think this is exactly the kind of question that lends itself well for a public referendum. The problem with Brexit in particular was its execution, not its premise. For one, the people were given only a binary choice. As is clear by now (and many people knew that before), there are more than two op…

> none of the campaigners knew what they were arguing for

Case in point would be Owen Patterson, a prominent brexit campaigner, who wanted to

  1) Invoke Article 50
  2) Negotiate a new deal which looks very much like the EEA plus CU, but witout any closer integration
  3) Offer the public a referendum between that new deal and staying in the EU
However now that's "remoaner loser talk"

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by swebs »

golergka wrote: post #288
montenegrohugo wrote: post #241

A big part of the problem is that there is no single entity that defends the citizens interest in this instance. You have the Disney's of the world heavily lobbying to pass reforms like these, but who protests against it? - Online signatures? Gets laughed out of the room. They could be fake, they don't mean anything, they are paid, etc.. - Voting? Voting cycles are too long and voting decisions cannot be made on a si…

You could vote for your country to exit EU.

I don't know why this is being downvoted. It's a legitimate option.
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