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Don’t Get Clever with Login Forms

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Re: Don’t Get Clever with Login Forms

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Post by eslaught »

dsego wrote: post #477
Al-Khwarizmi wrote: post #464

Tip from a non-native English speaker: if you want your website to be more friendly to an international audience, don't use the terms "sign in" and "sign up", use more distinct terms (like "login" and "register") instead. Phrasal verbs, in general, are difficult to speakers of languages that don't have them, especially when the same verb has different meanings depending on the added preposition. Someone with a basic/…

Afaik, you "sign up" for something, like a newsletter, or health insurance. You sign into a hotel, ie leave your signature at the check-in (or sign-in) desk. Btw, also not a native speaker.

Native speaker here. You sign in when you arrive at a fitness club, or when you take your child to daycare. It's a regular, reoccurring action that you use to indicate you've arrived. I wouldn't normally use sign in for a hotel visit since it's not normally reoccurring; you check in to a hotel, not sign in. Sign in would be appropriate if the hotel had a policy of asking you to sign every time you enter or exit (to keep a minute to minute record of when you're in your room). I've never seen a hotel that does this though.

By the way, this is why an English speaker would say "sign in to a website" but not "check in to a website". Check in is generally a non reoccurring action.

Re: Don’t Get Clever with Login Forms

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Post by SomeHacker44 »

colinramsay wrote: post #2

There's been a recent tendency to split login forms into username/password over two screens as mentioned in this article. It's maddening. Password managers can't deal with this, unsurprisingly. I don't see the benefit this provides for anyone.

I never have problems with 1Password and login screens split into two or even 3 screens (for MFA). Just sayin'.

Re: Don’t Get Clever with Login Forms

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Post by Semaphor »

varjolintu wrote: post #443
Semaphor wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While it can't handle the email part, at least mine nowadays handles the password field. I use KeePassXC-Browser (connecting to KeePass despite the name) and it recognizes the password field even if I entered the email in an (annoying) extra step.

Actually it can handle the email part also. You just have to add the site URL to Site Preferences in the extension's settings and enable Username-only detection. It's a necessary extra step so the credentials wouldn't be filled to search fields or to other single input fields. It's quite hard to detect if an input field is actually a username field.

oh, that's good to know. Thank you, this will make Microsoft logins much more bearable.

Re: Don’t Get Clever with Login Forms

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Post by amoitnga »

Aeolun wrote: post #342
da_chicken wrote: post #316

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've never understood this desire to make a web site behave like it isn't a web site. The entire benefit of web sites is that they've got a consistent interface even between web sites. Don't break that! Don't break copy and paste. Don't break the back button. Don't change or break the right click/context menu. Don't hide the toolbars.

Try telling that to my enterprise. They’ve just discovered that displaying the URL bar is more secure than not.

could you please elaborate? would appreciate maybe some links to read about this, find this relevant to my experience.

Re: Don’t Get Clever with Login Forms

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Post by code_duck »

eslaught wrote: post #481
dsego wrote: post #477

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Afaik, you "sign up" for something, like a newsletter, or health insurance. You sign into a hotel, ie leave your signature at the check-in (or sign-in) desk. Btw, also not a native speaker.

Native speaker here. You sign in when you arrive at a fitness club, or when you take your child to daycare. It's a regular, reoccurring action that you use to indicate you've arrived. I wouldn't normally use sign in for a hotel visit since it's not normally reoccurring; you check in to a hotel, not sign in. Sign in would be appropriate if the hotel had a policy of asking you to sign every time you enter or exit (to k…

A minorly relevant note is that GP said ‘sign into’ a hotel, while you said ‘sign in to’, which is a subtlety difference a native speaker would know.

Re: Don’t Get Clever with Login Forms

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Post by dsego »

eslaught wrote: post #481
dsego wrote: post #477

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Afaik, you "sign up" for something, like a newsletter, or health insurance. You sign into a hotel, ie leave your signature at the check-in (or sign-in) desk. Btw, also not a native speaker.

Native speaker here. You sign in when you arrive at a fitness club, or when you take your child to daycare. It's a regular, reoccurring action that you use to indicate you've arrived. I wouldn't normally use sign in for a hotel visit since it's not normally reoccurring; you check in to a hotel, not sign in. Sign in would be appropriate if the hotel had a policy of asking you to sign every time you enter or exit (to k…

Thanks for correcting me.

Re: Don’t Get Clever with Login Forms

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Post by 0xCMP »

ngrilly wrote: post #311
the_pwner224 wrote: post #278

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have used one site which combined magic links with normal login, and it worked excellently... unfortunately I can't remember what the website was. If you remembered your password, you could login normally. If not, they would email you the 'forgot password' link, but there was no requirement to set a new password! I only logged in once every few months and could never remember the password, so for me just using it a…

> I have used one site which combined magic links with normal login, and it worked excellently... unfortunately I can't remember what the website was. https://healthchecks.io/accounts/login/

In my opinion this is the perfect one. Everyone who wants to use a PM (like me) can use that and any users not using a PM can get the magic link.

Re: Don’t Get Clever with Login Forms

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Post by dsego »

code_duck wrote: post #485
eslaught wrote: post #481

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Native speaker here. You sign in when you arrive at a fitness club, or when you take your child to daycare. It's a regular, reoccurring action that you use to indicate you've arrived. I wouldn't normally use sign in for a hotel visit since it's not normally reoccurring; you check in to a hotel, not sign in. Sign in would be appropriate if the hotel had a policy of asking you to sign every time you enter or exit (to k…

A minorly relevant note is that GP said ‘sign into’ a hotel, while you said ‘sign in to’, which is a subtlety difference a native speaker would know.

Oh, I actually use Writefull to check phrases, this one came up in Google Books. (https://writefullapp.com/)

"after the raid, it is known that Brown wrote to Kagi that he would sign into a hotel as I. Smith and Sons. As he began recruiting supporters for an attack"

These are the results I get for web:

    - sign in to a hotel appears 0 time in Google.
    - sign into a hotel appears 81 times in Google.
    - check into a hotel appears 577,000 times in Google.
    - check in to a hotel appears 69 times in Google.

Re: Don’t Get Clever with Login Forms

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Post by Grue3 »

tumblr.com manages to hit 3 don'ts out of 4: modal login window, magic links and multi-stage login where you have to enter your username first, then password on another page. It's extremely painful.
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