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Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by keypusher »

pjc50 wrote: post #420
headmelted wrote: post #310

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It's not really better though - having only two real browsers is not good for open standards or the open web. This will be especially true when Firefox inevitably shutters it's in-house efforts in a couple of years due to the amount of sites that won't work with it , and starts using Chromium too. Staring into my crystal ball tells me Firefox will become "janky" in the eyes of users on account of how many sites don't…

> Firefox inevitably shutters it's in-house efforts That is Firefox. Shuttering that kills the project. It's like, I don't know, Tumblr deciding to ban porn or something.

I've got some bad news.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by jcelerier »

TanakaTarou wrote: post #183

What other options do they have? Even on HN you hear "I use Egde to download Chrome". Many of you here don't test your own work in Edge. At the same time Microsoft is getting the heat that Windows 10 is unstable and the last major update shows that it is. Very urgently, I imagine, Microsoft is trying to change the perception of Windows 10 by doing everything they can to make it more stable. Changing the browser engin…

> YOU don't test your work in Egde and because YOU tell all friends and family to use Chrome instead of edge.

my last interaction with edge was that it crashed twice on the path to downloading chrome - as in, clicking the "X" to quit it wouldn't work and I had to kill it in the process manager. This was on a pristine Windows 10 that was just installed.

Very often when I had to use it (or didn't notice that windows opened it for some reason) I also could not close any tab.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by lucianoci »

laumars wrote: post #343
vijaybritto wrote: post #317

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The main reason developers prefer chrome over firefox is the devtools hands down. When firebug was amazing in the jquery era, we used firefox but now chrome's devtools is simple, fast and full featured to use. If firefox's devtools is as good as or better than chrome's maybe things can change!

I used to think this too, but After seeing some colleagues using FireFox dev tools and making the switch (back) to Firefox myself, I realised that there really isn’t that much between the two and in fact it’s mire a matter of what you’re used to. Much like the debates about other developer tools in fact (text editors et al).

It's all the small things. Till recently there weren't even react devtools for Firefox. Almost any dev-oriented extension targets chrome first. Chrome has a great devtools protocol, and node conveniently happens to support it too, which is also why many node debugging tools will use chrome.

I use Firefox for casual browsing, but all work-y stuff I do in chrome. Sometimes I'll start debugging a site in Firefox and then some behavior is a bit "off" or missing and I just go back to Chrome.

And the only reason I'm using Firefox is because it's not Chrome. I wanted a different browser that looks a bit different to always be aware of the difference between work and personal.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by vorticalbox »

vijaybritto wrote: post #355
sunaurus wrote: post #321

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What specifically do you find better in the Chrome devtools? I find Firefox devtools to be slightly nicer (but I don't really think either one has a massive edge over the other).

1.speed - FF tools always take time to open a script file. Chrome hickups only for huge files which is understandable. 2. Sourcemaps doesnt work most of the times in webpack bundles. Dont know why. (Maybe they tested only for chrome or something.) 3. This new FF devtools was developed after chrome took the dev mindshare and familiarity. I don't see FF devtools very compelling to be used all the time. No disrespect, b…

one plus to FF is that when you hit an end point that is JSON it actually formats it as JSON rather then just printing to the screen like chrome

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by pluma »

zuzun wrote: post #473
nkozyra wrote: post #245

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You've used these, right? It's an enormous pain to have to spin up a separate VM per version of Edge/IE to get a "Your copy of Windows might be stolen" message and have some finite period of time to test. I appreciate that they have these, but it's a real annoying hoop to jump through, and I've long suspected the hope is you'll just have your company buy a cheap windows box for testing. I can test the other browsers…

How do you test Safari without an Apple device?

(Hint: you don't)

I'm a web developer with an Android smartphone and Ubuntu as my main OS, Windows as my secondary.

My primary means of testing on iOS/Safari is to be very careful about which features I target by checking caniuse.com and the JS compatibility list. And that doesn't protect you against iOS randomly doing something stupid like pretending to give you access to localStorage in private browsing mode but actually write everything to /dev/null instead.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by ek750 »

jccalhoun wrote: post #23

As a firefox fax, I hope this isn't true. The dominance of chrome isn't good for anyone. This will lead to (even more) sites not bothering to be made compatible with Firefox. We are headed back to the "designed for IE" days.

A large percentage of enterprises still use windows and some sort of Microsoft browser. For the ones that’ll switch, I wonder if they’ll switch to chrome or Firefox?

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by salvar »

SwellJoe wrote: post #293
colordrops wrote: post #257

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I can't quite put my finger on it but something feels wrong about blaming the general populace for Edge's failure as a browser. Microsoft is one of the wealthiest companies on Earth. They've had every opportunity to use every marketing channel and dump resources into the team to make Edge an obvious winner. But they didn't.

I'm not sure what more they could do. They're extremely pushy about it in Windows. It takes several steps to make it stop pushing Edge when you open any web links. I don't use Edge (or Chrome) because I don't trust the companies that make them, and it's one small piece of my computing life I can withhold from them. So...there's nothing they could do to make Edge good enough for me, without fixing the lack of trust I…

> I'm not sure what more they could do. They're extremely pushy about it in Windows.

One of the things that pushed me away from Edge. Being pushy is not the same as being persuasive.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by timrichard »

TanakaTarou wrote: post #183

What other options do they have? Even on HN you hear "I use Egde to download Chrome". Many of you here don't test your own work in Edge. At the same time Microsoft is getting the heat that Windows 10 is unstable and the last major update shows that it is. Very urgently, I imagine, Microsoft is trying to change the perception of Windows 10 by doing everything they can to make it more stable. Changing the browser engin…

> YOU don't test your work in Egde

Yup, because it doesn't have the market share to justify it.

Plus, for many years, IE compatibility was an extremely unpleasant aspect of my job, and I'm certainly not alone there. Mainly because they didn't really care about improving it or keeping track with browser standards after "conquest accomplished". Some people get what they deserve.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by pluma »

ulfw wrote: post #240
baggsie wrote: post #202

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The same way you test safari on a Win or Linux machine?

Safari runs on iOS (iPhones, iPads) too. Huge installed base. The same can't be said about Windows Phones

Nobody at my company uses an iOS device. I'm the only one not on Windows and I use Ubuntu.

If you look at the global marketshare, Android dominates iOS.

The point is that I can test on Windows without a Microsoft device or giving money to Microsoft to install Windows somewhere. I have no way to test anything on iOS or even Safari.

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