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Wanting to improve their news algorithm to favor more trustworthy sources is not a violation of free speech. "Free speech" guarantees you the right to say what you want, as long as it doesn't interfere with others' freedoms (i.e., making death threats or yelling "fire" in a crowded movie theater) "Free speech" does not guarantee you a platform for your protected free speech. I have the right to claim blatantly false…

The first amendment does not prevent Google (or any other company) from restricting speech. That is a very low bar. The distinction between government and private groups is not a clean as you might think. At a large enough scale, private groups can start to take on a role in society that resembles that of a government, should we not then expect them to be held to a standard that resembles that we expect of government…

    The distinction between government and private groups is 
    not a clean as you might think. At a large enough scale, 
    private groups can start to take on a role in society that 
    resembles that of a government, should we not then expect 
    them to be held to a standard that resembles that we expect 
    of governments?
Absolutely agree that companies, particularly companies with large market share, can effectively wield state-level powers and that it is something we need to figure out as a country.

In this case we're talking about Google's all-hands discussion about weeding out bad-faith actors. They weren't trying to silence people who simply thought Trump was the better candidate, they were talking about something very close to spam filtering. "Silence Republicans" is something that (even as a liberal) is something I'd be absolutely opposed to; filtering out outright fraudulent news sources (from any part of the political spectrum) is something we should all support.

We've been doing something similar as a country for many years. Notice how tabloids like the National Enquirer aren't typically lumped in with "real" news sources at the newsstand.

Re: Google’s first all-hands after 2016 election [video]

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By definition, neutrality is not support of anything.

Imagine you are a parent of two children, one 10 years old and the other 7. The two children are fighting with each other. What is the result of staying neutral in that argument? If you don't intervene the 10 year old is almost certainly going to win because they are likely stronger and more mature. By not intervening you are tacitly endorsing the 10 year old's power of the 7 year old. The same thing applies in any f…

So you disagree with the actual definition of a word? This is absolute nonsense. From a legal and a linguistic perspective, neutrality is well defined. Sometimes people just don’t want to hear your crap, and the particular flavour of crap is of no relevance. Sometimes people just do not wish to be disturbed. It’s not a power struggle, it’s basic human decency. It’s understanding that you don’t necessarily know what other people at work are going through, and it’s also none of your business.

Re: Google’s first all-hands after 2016 election [video]

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> Do you have a better solution? Let the receiver evaluate the information? Sure, some will have false believes. Cannot change that and you shouldn't even attempt to do so. Because authority has been wrong to an equal degree. The whole premise falls flat in my opinion. There won't be any viable solution, if the problem cannot even be defined. Currently it is based on a feeling that there are mean and false statements…

> Let the receiver evaluate the information This ignores one of Google's primary missions. As jlebar posted in a different comment > evaluating trust on the internet using computers (call it AI or not) is literally Google's core competency. This idea that we should pretend as if there is no problem to solve seems incredibly strange to me. Particularly when we know unreliable information is being weaponized by bad act…

> We tend to prefer shopping at places where we know the products we purchase will be of a certain standard.

we don't just prefer; we pay to shop at places where we trust that the products will be of high quality (or at least authentic).

no one i know around my age pays for any news whatsoever (including myself, admittedly). this should tell you something about how much we value quality news.

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"(00:54:33) An employee asks what Google is going to do about “misinformation” and “fake news” shared by “low-information voters.” Pichai responds by stating that “investments in machine learning and AI” are a “big opportunity” to fix the problem." Anyone find this disturbing? They're trying to use AI to manipulate what users 'should' see?

The solution is actually free college education for everyone who wants it, even if not everyone will be able to use it on their job the only solution is massively easier access to quality education that teaches you how to think, not what to think. The lack of critical thinking skills is a real problem but its largely by designs, some in DC think having an economic draft is a good thing and an educated population is n…

Nearly every college is all about teaching you what to think, not how to think. They like to claim otherwise... which is another thing they want you to think.

The non-STEM courses are particularly a cesspool of telling you what to think. They grade you on it. Politically incorrect opinions, no matter how well argued, will badly damage your grade or worse.

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Is this really the top rated comment? sigh , I think we can do better. > We owe no consideration to deliberately-destructive trolls... Oh man, here we go. Look, there are trolls and there are populists and fascists and neo-Nazis and anarchists and racists and scumbags and dickheads and all of those NAMES out there. Yeah! Fuck those NAMES ! BURN! ..it fixes nothing to piss further into the pool. And then to turn aroun…

Breitbart openly advocates for the destruction of the press, which they call the "Democrat-media complex". Hard to deal in good faith under those circumstances.

CNN actually achieved the destruction of the press, getting an opposing (right wing) media source banned from multiple platforms.
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