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Dear Silicon Valley: America’s fallen out of love with you

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Re: Dear Silicon Valley: America’s fallen out of love with you

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It’s old money vs. new money. New money doesn’t respect the culture, rituals, and hierarchy created by the old guard. And because tech is printing money it doesn’t have to.

> New money doesn’t respect the culture, rituals, and hierarchy created by the old guard. Can you expand on why this is a problem?

Not the commenter but pretty sure that's not a problem, but old money is bothered by it because they want respect and control because aristocracy.

Re: Dear Silicon Valley: America’s fallen out of love with you

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> That's like killing your neighbor and wearing his skin while fucking his wife. Somewhat over the top, no? A bodega is not a religious shrine, it's just a business like any other. I agree that the naming is tacky (it's like "Walmart" rebranding as "Mom & Pop's"), but that's about the extent of it. Certainly, they are not guilty of "decimating the American dream" by starting a business.

I'm not saying they've done it or are going to do it, just that they clearly want to. And I don't see the Walmart comparison as comparable because this issue is also compounded with the issue of gentrification, which is particularly emblematic of the things that people hate about Silicon Valley and to a lesser extent the Presidency (VC-baked out-of-touch privileged idiots colonizing the urban landscape).

> this issue is also compounded with the issue of gentrification

How is this a gentrification issue? They're distributing glorified vending machines with "bodega" products, it's not as if they're pricing the neighborhood out of paper towels and frosted flakes. This is really a huge overreaction for something very benign.

Re: Dear Silicon Valley: America’s fallen out of love with you

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Anecdotes: Claiming racism and sexism will put off anyone in the center who may be convinced that there is a diversity problem. I would prefer the term "subconsciously biased against". It's not so much a concentrated group effort by everyone who hires to keep minorities down, but a subconscious effect caused by the media and constant anti-minority propaganda (only a few decades ago). Even minorities themselves are in…

I mostly agree, but the media (and a slew of other industries) are pro-minority , not anti-minority, so if the media are undermining minority confidence, it's not necessarily intuitive. Further, even the implicit bias theory has a lot working against it; chiefly, it is utterly dependant on the principle tool for measuring implicit bias, the IAT, which fails to actually predict bias or even return consistent results (…

How prescient. WSJ published this the same day as my previous comment: https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-false-science-of-implicit-b...

Re: Dear Silicon Valley: America’s fallen out of love with you

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I dare say the Russian fake news didn't do anything that Fox and Limbaugh and Brietbart haven't been doing for decades. I'd really like to see some samples of Russian planted news and comments. I wonder if they would even be detectable compared to "normal" stuff the aforementioned organizations produce.

Yes, but we don't give foreign governments and intelligence agencies unhampered access to our TV and radio airwaves to broadcast whatever the hell they want. There's a big difference between US nationals broadcasting bullshit and hostile foreign governments broadcasting bullshit. Neither is ideal, but the latter is completely unacceptable, at least to me, because it touches on sovereignty issues.

Does Murdoch (an Australian national) own Fox News still?

Re: Dear Silicon Valley: America’s fallen out of love with you

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There's a difference between ideas that seem dumb and ideas that are dumb. The problem is that Juciero was in the latter category. We didn't have to pour millions of dollars into it to figure that out; do you think the creators of bottled water spent anywhere near that much, or over-engineered their product half as crazily? Put another way, do you imagine that nobody at Nestle or wherever stood up and said "this is a…

Can you explain to me what this difference is?

Hindsight. Juicero is so obviously a stupid failure now that we know it is. We can't even imagine a world where it wasn't stupid.

Now try to remember a tech/company you thought was stupid that became a massive success. For me, I remember thinking wifi was stupid -- I was a power user, laptops were grossly underpowered circa 1998. Why would anyone need wireless internet on a desktop?

I keep that story in mind because it keeps me humble about hindsight bias.

Re: Dear Silicon Valley: America’s fallen out of love with you

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I think some of the people that do have a problem with SV or tech in general also just have a problem with people they perceive as having lower social status succeeding. It's not anti-intellectualism exactly, but it sort of parallels it in my opinion.

people in SV aren’t “suceeding” - they’re making twice as much money as everyone else in exchange for creating systems of surveillance. I’m not surprised people are salty about it.

Most people are ignorant about the whole surveillance thing, and most of those who do know don't care and don't think anything can be done about it. I'd say they're more angry because the people they thought were losers a couple years ago are making twice as much money of them. If your values system emphasizes social capital, but the economy doesn't value it nearly as much, you're going to be disappointed in yourself when socially awkward people are more successful than you.

Re: Dear Silicon Valley: America’s fallen out of love with you

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These same criticisms were lobbed at Microsoft 15 years ago (and IBM before that), but then, as now, people forget that part of why some of us love technology is that nobody can rest on past success. Ten years from now, some new upstart is going to make everyone wonder what the big fuss was about.

Re: Dear Silicon Valley: America’s fallen out of love with you

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>but only by massively subsidizing its rides through investment capital This is not true for many cities. Most of the subsidizing only happens in new markets to get people interested. Uber/Lyft are still better than cabs when unsubsidized.

The cheaper price comes almost entirely from the driver making less. Love it or hate it, that's really the big difference now that most existing cab companies now have Uber-like dispatch technology.

Sure, but that's not a subsidy anymore. They've just found a way to provide a service for cheaper.

Re: Dear Silicon Valley: America’s fallen out of love with you

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It's a bit ironic that SV nerds are dealing with rampant racial/gender issues, while NFL jocks are protesting for racial justice in policing. It's like all those 80's movies flipped the nerd/jock paradigm.

That's how the media is portraying it of course, but I think if you took a step back and took a look at the general behavior of each group I don't think it would really hold up.

Heh, true. Though when I take a step back, I find both groups still have a long way to go.
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