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Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by hibbelig »

issa wrote: post #318
Eun wrote: post #222

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Window management in OSX is horrible. Finder is even more horrible. It reminds me of the Windows 95 Explorer. A network drive hangs? Good luck with Finder..., the whole system halts.

My number one complaint about OSX is also window management. I've never found anything comparable to the way Windows 7 let you use the left/right arrows to line up windows on half the screen. That is the only thing I miss about Windows, but it's a pretty big one. Also, when dis/connecting monitors on OSX, windows often get lost. ps- if anyone has any suggestions or recommendations, I'd love to hear them!

There is Divvy which is an interesting approach. There is Hammerspoon if you fancy Lu's hacking and Phoenix if you fancy JavaScript. Hammerspoon can do more.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by pwthornton »

SonicSoul wrote: post #308
csomar wrote: post #178

Am I the only one that sees OS X as the biggest reason to switch to Mac? I mean Windows is good, but nowhere good as OS X. And please, don't tell me Ubuntu or other linux flavors. They look good (and are good if you are programming on them) but the UX is still lacking a lot. (Never mind the confusion of the different flavors, packaging systems, and configurations). Also god forbid you have a problem (especially a har…

I love OSX but never understood why people pay so much for those apple displays. we use them at work and they suuuuuck. super heavy, can't adjust height, can't put it in portrait mode which is .. I don't know useful 40% of the time, glares like a mofo, and cost 2x-3x similar quality displays from not Apple. Is the look of them that desirable? i finally switched for same reso Dell units on my desk and really happy abo…

The glossiness of them is highly desirable for anyone doing visual work: Photography, video editing, UX design, graphic design, etc. Colors and contrast pop a lot more.

It's a personal preference, however, so we let people at work make their own choices.

Apple displays have long been very high quality with accurate colors. They also usually come with a built in hub and ability to power a laptop, which is very handy. It allows the monitor to essentially be a dock.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by sorenjan »

m_mueller wrote: post #290
SippinLean wrote: post #186

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>I mean Windows is good, but nowhere good as OS X Specifically? People typically point to the telemetry and forced updates, but I've managed to disable both, using what were admittedly much-too-difficult procedures or third-party software. It's annoying, but not that annoying. I really like Finder and Spotlight, but not enough to be tied, via licensing, to any specific hardware. Less cluttering--I can uninstall apps…

Specifically: * HiDPI support in all apps, whethere they are aware of it or not. * Built-in PDF editing and creation from all printable content. * POSIX scripting and CLI. * Very clean and consistent configuration system (defaults). Reset an app to factory? Delete one plist file and potentially an app support folder. Got a new Mac? You could even boot it up from the old harddisk. Good luck doing that with windows reg…

>* POSIX scripting and CLI.

Windows has WSL which gets better in the new Creator's update.

>* Touchpad support.

I don't use laptops, but I've heard good things about the touchpad in the Surface line, and Dell XPS.

>* Superb discoverability of power user features with in-app help system and hotkeys displayed in the menu.

Windows has had hotkeys in menus as long as I can remember. I know they where there in 3.1. If you press Alt in Explorer you'll get overlays with hotkeys over the buttons and menus.

>* A consistent menu system.

I'm guessing you mean that the ribbon is inconsistent. Most programs use the regular menus, and the ribbon is just a glorified toolbar with tabs. I don't see the big deal.

>* Powerful and system wide screenshots.

Windows 10 has Win+Print screen to save fullscreen screenshots as a file. For more control, there's the snipping tool that's been included for years now.

>* Cmd-C / V work everywhere, including the Terminal.

Ctrl+C/V works in Windows terminal too.

>* Very good terminal with good color schemes, tabs, unicode and even emoji support.

I usually use ConEmu. I just tested, it does support emoji, but I don't see the point. I just tried "mkdir " (edit: seems like HN eats my emoji, but that's supposed to be a directory with an emoji in the name), and it worked as expected. If I use the built in terminal in VSCode it even looks nice, with colors, but it's just two blank rectangles in both cmd and powershell.

The built in terminal supports 24-bit color now though: https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/2016/09/22/24-b...

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Post by Eric_WVGG »

oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #237
DoofusOfDeath wrote: post #170

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Serious question: What room is there for improvement and innovation in displays for MacPro's target users, aside from price-reduction? I can see how photographers want faithful color reproduction with a wide gamut, good image consistency across the whole display, good resolution, and a decent size (maybe 32" tops?) But AFAIK, monitors with those qualities are already available. The only thing I can think of that woul…

I wish they'd revisit the first ever flat-screen iMac, the one that pivoted every which way and could easily be positioned at any height. I think now they've realised the design of the actual computer is pretty low down on pro-desktop purchasers' priorities, they'll go all-in on the display instead. Imagine the very best display Apple could make — maybe like the above with an almost bezel-free front, 5K, etc. — with…

They actually still sell those (much to my surprise). http://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/imac-vesa

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by tnones »

kerbalspacepro wrote: post #365
Aaargh20318 wrote: post #297

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> Window management in OSX is horrible. What is so horrible about it ? I have the exact same reaction every time I have to use Microsoft Windows. Window management is one of the strongpoints of MacOS. > A network drive hangs? Good luck with Finder..., the whole system halts. I've never encountered this problem on both AFP and SMB shares.

... on Windows you drag a window to the right and make it 1/2 or 1/3 or 1/4 the screen. On a Mac dragging the window... drags the window.

Click and hold the fullscreen button. Drop window on left or right half.

This thread is full of people who insist they want an OS for power users but don't seem willing to find out how to do things.

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Post by FireBeyond »

VelNZ wrote: post #229

Wow, what a torrent of negativity on this thread, I didn't see a single positive comment reading through the top level. This is excellent news, I'm chugging along on a 2010 Mac Pro and was very disappointed when the Apple Displays were cancelled last year. They are a staple of the lineup and always look gorgeous compared to what's on the market. I will definitely be buying the new Mac Pro and 2 displays to go with it…

Much as I am keen to see the Mac Pro replacement, It's not unnecessarily negative to point out the absurdity of the fact that in December, 2017, Apple will be selling, at a premium price point, no less, an _Ivy Bridge_ processor. And charging _twelve hundred_ dollars for 48GB of memory.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by brandon272 »

DoofusOfDeath wrote: post #170
ianwalter wrote: post #112

I wish there was more info on the Pro Display. I thought Apple was "out of the display game". I wonder if the UltraFine issues played a part in this.

Serious question: What room is there for improvement and innovation in displays for MacPro's target users, aside from price-reduction? I can see how photographers want faithful color reproduction with a wide gamut, good image consistency across the whole display, good resolution, and a decent size (maybe 32" tops?) But AFAIK, monitors with those qualities are already available. The only thing I can think of that woul…

Some people want a monitor that is endorsed by Apple, carries Apple's warranty, that Apple will support if something goes wrong, and that, very importantly for some folks, looks like an Apple product and fits in with the design aesthetic of the rest of their Apple devices.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by devNoise »

ralfd wrote: post #414
draw_down wrote: post #291

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I'm sorry but you should be at the very least impatient with them, as a customer. This thing doesn't even come out until 2018 and you're using the 2010. Look, I use Apple products all day, damn near every computing device I have is made by them. It's just astounding how they've let this languish. Very bad.

This. We have still 8 months left. How hard can it be to design a tower? I guess Apple is having some interesting trick in their sleeve, but come on, how long could it take? Just throw a few more engineers on it!

The trash can was a neat design. The problem was is that Apple came up a design that was wrong for the market that wants a Mac Pro. This is a market that wants to upgrade and expand their computers. They want to add some of the largest capacity hard drives they can find. They'll put in an expansion card or two. The GPU that would be fine for me until I bought a new computer, they'll want to replace it next year.

I don't think the tower will be that hard to design. I think the issue will be in making a new motherboard. Or do you think, they'll just use one of Intel's designs?

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by tmsldd »

okket wrote: post #87

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_effect The Osborne effect is a term referring to the unintended consequences of a company announcing a future product, unaware of the risks involved or when the timing is misjudged, which ends up having a negative impact on the sales of the current product. This is often the case when a product is announced too long before its actual availability. This has the immediate effect of…

That was a relevant comment! Given that at least part of their former loyalty customers are considering to migrate to other platforms, that would mean they're trying to break the speed of migration.. which is another aspect not covered by the Osborne effect you cited. The time runs against Apple. They are playing the rollete.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by gurkendoktor »

valuearb wrote: post #451
intoverflow2 wrote: post #118

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>Brutal to all the MBP hot takes from this fall. Not really, what are people supposed to do? Move their entire ecosystem to Windows? Just because it sells doesn't mean it's a great product. Balmer's reign is testament to that so I'm getting pretty tired of (non-shareholder) people pointing at spreadsheet numbers to justify Tim Cook doing a good job.

If the new MBPs weren't well received, people would hold off purchases, and yes, some would move to Windows. Sales are proof they nailed it.

That's true for people who want 32 GB of RAM, a Nvidia GPU, a touchscreen etc. - I'm sure they haven't bought the MBP 2016.

But what about people who are fine with the specs and just don't like the details? You really need to have bought an MBP to know whether you like the Touch Bar and the flat/loud keyboard, or how well the battery works for you (given that the benchmarks are all over the place).

I'd love to see the percentage of returned machines instead.

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