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Onedrive is slow on Linux but fast with a “Windows” user-agent (2016)

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Re: Onedrive is slow on Linux but fast with a “Windows” user-agent (2016)

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Post by eridius »

jacquesm wrote: post #367
wernercd wrote: post #365

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Well not all platforms are created equal... it's why you have fall-backs to "Stable but not shiny" for platforms you don't support... or platforms you don't know supports New Shiney Thing (tm). If you know browser X, Y and Z support HTML5 video - because that's your actively supported platforms... but someone says I'm browser 6... do you push HTML5 video? Or do you fall back to stuff you know works but is years old t…

> Are you saying you would ship HTML5 code to platforms you don't know support HTML5? No, I would stick to open standards supported by the vast majority of users until the next wave was supported by the vast majority of users and so on. I would never detect a user agent and make crippling decisions based on the response. And if you do decide to resort to such trickery then you'd better make sure that you extract the…

"stick to open standards supported by the vast majority of users" is exactly what you get when the user agent isn't known. It just turns out in this case that it's unoptimized and performs pretty badly.

Re: Onedrive is slow on Linux but fast with a “Windows” user-agent (2016)

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Post by faragon »

alexval wrote: post #464
faragon wrote: post #431

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So for the "New Microsoft" releasing a bug fix for a "bug" affecting customers using Linux for more than 3 months it just required to be popular at Hacker News and Reddit.

Sometimes at a large company feedback from support and those customer forms doesn't make it all the way back to the engineers. The engineers read hacker news. As soon as they saw this it makes sense that they fixed it. Seems like the pipeline for customer feedback could be improved.

So engineers at "New Microsoft" read Hacker News, but don't use "New Microsoft" products on Linux.

Re: Onedrive is slow on Linux but fast with a “Windows” user-agent (2016)

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Post by pmilot »

faragon wrote: post #482
alexval wrote: post #464

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Sometimes at a large company feedback from support and those customer forms doesn't make it all the way back to the engineers. The engineers read hacker news. As soon as they saw this it makes sense that they fixed it. Seems like the pipeline for customer feedback could be improved.

So engineers at "New Microsoft" read Hacker News, but don't use "New Microsoft" products on Linux.

It may sound farfetched to you, but I assure you that some people who read Hacker News regularly don't actually use Linux on a day-to-day basis.

Re: Onedrive is slow on Linux but fast with a “Windows” user-agent (2016)

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Post by faragon »

pmilot wrote: post #483
faragon wrote: post #482

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So engineers at "New Microsoft" read Hacker News, but don't use "New Microsoft" products on Linux.

It may sound farfetched to you, but I assure you that some people who read Hacker News regularly don't actually use Linux on a day-to-day basis.

Sure. That was my point: the "New Microsoft" is not using Linux, or don't {care about | want} their customers using "New Microsoft" products on Linux.

Re: Onedrive is slow on Linux but fast with a “Windows” user-agent (2016)

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Post by slrz »

cesarb wrote: post #323
wisebit wrote: post #278

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I've always found it fascinating that Windows/Microsoft error messages seem to have some kind of UUID (Error #c101a053 is one I found on my search history from 5 years ago), but you _can't look them up by UUID_ on the MS help pages or even online (and sometimes they don't seem to even be unique). I've always wanted to know what they do with these numbers.

That looks like a NTSTATUS value. You often see also HRESULT values. They are structured values, some of the bits tell you which subsystem generated the error, other bits tell you the error number within that subsystem.

Right. My gripe with it is that you tend to see them thrown into error messages without the corresponding string representation, thus forcing the user to do the lookup by hand.

Seriously, it can't be that hard to call the NT equivalent of strerror(3) when formatting these messages.

Re: Onedrive is slow on Linux but fast with a “Windows” user-agent (2016)

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Post by Piskvorrr »

emodendroket wrote: post #479
winthrowe wrote: post #460

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As far as I'm aware this has to do with the fact that major updates are being delivered in a manner that's basically equivalent to a full reinstall, causing a lot of settings to get reset to defaults. This update method is particularly common for the insiders, but still happens from time to time on the general builds: anniversary update, creator's update and such.

Makes sense.

Makes sense for people who want nightlies and constant flux. Makes absolutely zero sense for production machines.

Re: Onedrive is slow on Linux but fast with a “Windows” user-agent (2016)

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Post by vedranm »

hinkley wrote: post #363
fnord123 wrote: post #312

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Microsoft has a history. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AARD_code

And that is merely one of the most documented cases. From former employees, I know that the culture at that time and into the late 90's was that Microsoft employees were a better class of human being than non-employees. Knowing that, it's not surprising to see the amount of Us vs Them behavior that showed up as anything from active antagonism to malicious neglect. The kids don't remember that time frame, and wonder w…

You are being very naive at best. There is at least a couple of problems with current Microsoft:

1) Windows is still closed source, their OpenDocument support is broken, and Secure Boot gives them an amount of power incomparable to anyone else in the industry: https://nudgedelastic.band/2016/01/i-am-still-not-buying-the...

2) DirectX 12 is Windows Store exclusive and it will never be possible to use DX12 apps on e.g. Wine: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/mar/04/microsoft...

3) Patents: http://www.infoworld.com/article/3042699/open-source-tools/m... http://www.infoworld.com/article/2841412/open-source-softwar... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13890580

Of course, all of these things are legal.

Re: Onedrive is slow on Linux but fast with a “Windows” user-agent (2016)

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Post by vedranm »

jacquesm wrote: post #368
skissane wrote: post #360

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You are talking about something Microsoft did in the early 1990s. It is very likely that most or even all of the people involved don't work for Microsoft any more. No company is ever going to be perfect, but I honestly believe that today's Microsoft is a much better corporate citizen than 1990s Microsoft was. (And, with the AARD code, while they shipped it turned on in the beta, it was disabled in the final release –…

> If 1990s Microsoft did something seemingly anti-competitive, it probably was intentionally anti-competitive. Ok > If 2010s Microsoft does something seemingly anti-competitive, while it still might be by intention, I'm more inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt and presume it is the unintentional side effect of an innocent (even if misguided) decision. That's fine with me. But the degree to which MS has abu…

Fully agree. Replied in a different place, same arguments apply here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13955241

Re: Onedrive is slow on Linux but fast with a “Windows” user-agent (2016)

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Post by knicholes »

sah2ed wrote: post #282
dragonwriter wrote: post #220

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Microsoft's​ behavior was illegal not because of bundling alone, but because of bundling a product (IE) in a different market with a product which was a monopoly (Windows) in what was held to be (based on additional Al evidence beyond mere bundling) an attempt to leverage a monopoly in one market to monopolize a different market. So, no, it's not like any Linux distribution bundling a third-party browser like Firefox…

Honest question: if Microsoft didn't bundle IE and the user hadn't received a copy of those ubiquitous AOL CD-ROMs which came in the mail/magazines (and sometimes carried the Netscape Navigator installer), how is the user expected to consume content on the web without a web browser? Surely, you'll at least need a decent web browser to get online to download a different browser of your choice, no?

When I was a kid (before the publicly-used version of the Internet that we know and love today) and wanted to download software, I'd log into a BBS for my download.
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