Question from an Indian:
In India, this bill is projected as a move by Trump to limit otsiders getting IT job in US. But this bill is moved by a democrat who also moved a bill against travel ban!
What can I infer from this?
New H1-B Visa bill doubles the salary requirements to $130K/yr
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Re: New H1-B Visa bill doubles the salary requirements to $130K/yr
#482Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't at all assume that and nothing constrains you from hiring your own citizens at lower salaries if they'll accept them or investing in training them, making your colleges more accessible and affordable etc. The proposals merely say if you want to hire non Americans, pay more. If you don't want to invest in training your citizens and also don't want to pay more to hire outsiders, maybe you should relook at your…
> nothing constrains you from hiring your own citizens at lower salaries Except if those are not available, or do not want to work for this salary, e.g. because fringe benefits of the position (getting into US, visa being handled by somebody else, etc.) do not apply to them. Or just because they are used to much higher standards of living and demand salary that pays for well located apartment in SF, new Tesla car, et…
> Except if those are not available, or do not want to work for this salary, e.g. because fringe benefits of the position (getting into US, visa being handled by somebody else, etc.) do not apply to them. Or just because they are used to much higher standards of living and demand salary that pays for well located apartment in SF, new Tesla car, etc. while some other people would be OK living with roommates and using public transportation.
In such a case, the point of view of your democratically elected representatives & president seems to be that either you should pay more or you should relocate your business to another country where you'll find people working for lower salary.
Your choices therefore are - become politically active & work to change the new policy, figure out ways to game the new policy (which is what led to the mess in the first place) or rethink your business model.
> That is an import tariff. Tariffs are measures that harm consumers and destroy value, ask any economist.
Unfortunately, the social harm that results from ordinary people losing their livelihood or hope of bettering their lives (as opposed to go-getting business-owners) tends to not enter the calculations of academic economists. Politicians of course have always instinctively understood this (Idle hands are a devil's workshop - to give you an idea of how old this is) and that's why they ignore the advice of economists & impose import tariffs in the real world.
Re: New H1-B Visa bill doubles the salary requirements to $130K/yr
#483Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Consider someone who has just finished their PhD in a relevant area. Why? The H1B is supposed to bring in high skilled labor not new grads. If 80K is the going market rate for someone with those skills then you will be able to find someone to do the job for 80K. Artificially suppressing wages is the reason you can't find anyone to do the job for the "reasonable" rate. A pay spike will draw more people in to the fiel…
Hate to break it to you but someone with a PhD is not a 'new grad', they have often been working in a high pressure job for ~5 years post graduation, usually required to do teaching, assist on their supervisor's research projects (lots of grunt coding), and do research and write a thesis. In this hypothetical, their value comes from having specific expertise on top of general skills. There is no guarantee you will be…
>supervisor's research projects (lots of grunt coding)
Hobby projects that A) have no users so stability and usability is unimportant, B) have no one review code, or the results so correctness is unimportant, C) have no requirements to support it after the paper is written, so maintainability is unimportant all add up to shit general skills.
If a PhD has specific expertise you need then great, otherwise expect a mediocre entry level dev with a chip on their shoulder.
Re: New H1-B Visa bill doubles the salary requirements to $130K/yr
#484How about H1-B cap-exempt candidates, professors, doctors and etc...?
Re: New H1-B Visa bill doubles the salary requirements to $130K/yr
#485Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's something to consider before matriculation. It's just as much a problem for Americans as it is for foreigners, so sympathy might be hard to find...
The difference of course is that if you come to a US university expecting to make US wages afterwards, that's one thing. If you suddenly get sent back to a third-world country, that's a totally different thing. The problem is America has effectively been selling these people a false bill of goods.
Has "America" been selling anything? Other than a few private schools like Boston University who view "international" students as their meal tickets, everyone here is largely indifferent to their presence. Meanwhile there are e.g. Chinese government programs to maximize Chinese study in USA.
Re: New H1-B Visa bill doubles the salary requirements to $130K/yr
#486How about H1-B cap-exempt candidates, professors, doctors and etc...?
Re: New H1-B Visa bill doubles the salary requirements to $130K/yr
#487Earlier quoted context omitted.
You are exactly right. Single minimum wage doesn't make any sense considering there is such a wide gap between IT and everything else. However keeping minimum wage to the 1989 level hurts H1B IT workers more because many of them literally end up getting just that even if they qualify for far more. I guess the issue is not solvable easily because to create job titles and assign it minimum wage number that is, say, at…
If the demand for other types of workers isn't high enough to warrant that level of pay, why do they need to bring in foreign workers?
Lower pay doesn't mean abundance. For example, professors for mathematics, theoretical physics, geology etc would be low paying job but its also hard to find people with great skills in these areas.