Time to Take a Stand • Hacker News Board

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by angry-hacker » Sat, Jan 28, 2017, 8:16 PM UTC

jowiar wrote: post #330

mythrwy wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Anyone in a position of power who took a look at Trump and didn't recoil with disgust needs to be exiled from civil society" We don't work like that. If we do the next one exiled will be you.

For some reason I'm thinking of a parable that goes like: "First they came for the Nazis"... Oh wait, maybe not. Because when we finally got around to fighting Nazis it was good fucking riddance.

And Obama was the biggest nazi of all times, he created a spy machine that would have made gestapo jealous. Where was the outcry in the last 8 years. Some of you bigots voted for him twice!

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by dang » Sat, Jan 28, 2017, 8:16 PM UTC

giancarlostoro wrote: post #14

I hope you mean "Peacefully Protest" I shut my eyes and ears once protesting becomes violent.

I realize you meant well with this comment but these discussions easily veer off-topic and into unproductive places.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13508050 and marked it off-topic.

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by mythrwy » Sat, Jan 28, 2017, 8:16 PM UTC

stonogo wrote: post #352

You have directly caused my wife's parents to miss the birth of their first grandchild, and worse things I won't name because they would personally identify me, by electing an idiot who is terrified of fictional terrorists. You are a bad person, and I don't care whether you appreciate knowing it or not. I don't really give a shit what you think of Hillary, because she did not needlessly block my family from coming to…

I didn't vote for the rights of your wife's parents to enter the country. Sorry.

I had other issues in mind.

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by mgkimsal » Sat, Jan 28, 2017, 8:16 PM UTC

cridenour wrote: post #170

tadasv wrote: post #131

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Only small companies can take a public stance and they won't for numerous reasons. No large company will ever take a political stance like this. There's too much at stake. I've been saying this for a long time. US is a capitalist country, it does not matter that it's been built by immigrants.

Plenty of large companies took a stance against NC. While this is a larger stance, you may still see it.

Senator Craig took a wide stance...

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by jimmywanger » Sat, Jan 28, 2017, 8:16 PM UTC

stonogo wrote: post #352

You have directly caused my wife's parents to miss the birth of their first grandchild, and worse things I won't name because they would personally identify me, by electing an idiot who is terrified of fictional terrorists. You are a bad person, and I don't care whether you appreciate knowing it or not. I don't really give a shit what you think of Hillary, because she did not needlessly block my family from coming to…

> I don't really give a shit what you think of Hillary, because she did not needlessly block my family from coming to me.

I don't really give a shit what you think about Trump, because he didn't call 25% of the american electorate deplorables and widened the gender gap in the United States by running an awful campaign?

People like you who gloss over the marginalization of large swathes of American citizens because you think they are 'bad people' sicken me.

You're the ones that stoop to personal attacks and you claim the moral high ground? Pathetic.

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by burkaman » Sat, Jan 28, 2017, 8:16 PM UTC

bassman9000 wrote: post #347

burkaman wrote: post #16

In case anyone is still skeptical that this is really a Muslim ban and not just a blanket ban on refugees and immigrants, note that Trump has said he will give priority to Christian refugees: http://www1.cbn.com/thebrodyfile/archive/2017/01/27/brody-fi...

Irrelevant. The text of the order is what matters. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/27/us/politics/refugee-musli... Yeah, he's doing a shitty job communicating it, but what did you expect... > (b) Upon the resumption of USRAP admissions, the Secretary of State, in consultation with the Secretary of Homeland Security, is further directed to make changes, to the extent permitted by law, to prioritize refugee claims made…

It's not irrelevant. Why do you insist on looking at this is a vacuum? He's made hundreds of public statements about this. He already told us what he wants to do.

> Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-...

This is what he wants, this is what his supporters want. He's not doing a shitty job of communicating at all, he's being very clear and upfront.

As to your specific quotes, the vast majority of refugees from these countries are in the (Muslim) religious majority.

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by emehrkay » Sat, Jan 28, 2017, 8:17 PM UTC

akjainaj wrote: post #342

emehrkay wrote: post #314

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I feel like the only thing that he campaigned on was hurting black/brown people and repealing the ACA. Everything else, every other policy topic was met with "I have the best people" or "I will have the best advisors." He constantly, falsely, repeated how bad black people have it in inner cities. How we can't go anywhere without the fear of being shot and killed by other black people. He touted the need for a nation-…

>How we can't go anywhere without the fear of being shot and killed by other black people. I'm not from the US but this really looks awful. I wouldn't set foot on this city even if you paid me a million dollars. http://crime.chicagotribune.com/

You know what is easy? Looking at the data now and coming to a conclusion that you believe to be sound. What is difficult is doing a little research to figure out how Chicago got the way it is. How gang culture took hold. How it was passed down from generation to generation. What policies were put into place that caused people to turn to illegal activities. Do a little research and try to get a full picture. Everyone agrees that crime, especially violent, should not be the norm in any place be it Chicago, Aleppo, or some random Brazilian city, but you need to understand how and why it got there before you give your final judgement.

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by rdtsc » Sat, Jan 28, 2017, 8:17 PM UTC

jacquesm wrote: post #379

Senji wrote: post #341

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It would be particularly hilarious watching the left twist itself into knots transitioning from an anti-gun position to pro violent overthrow.

There are other options: nationwide strikes, sit-ins, boycotts and so on.

Sadly I can't remember last time that was effective. I remember Occupy Wall Street from a few years back. So was so much excitement and energy there but what came of it? A bunch of arrests mostly.

There were some anti-Trump protests. Right after election remember people blocking hospital exits, and setting cars on fire. At the inauguration, downtown DC, a lot of protestors torched trash cans in the street and blocked people getting the main event. It was very visible, for sure, but did it have the desired effect? I don't talk to Trump supporters but wonder how many saw the burning trash cans or who failed to get to the Inauguration thought "yap, this has convinced me, I am switching sides and will vote against him next time..."?

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by CalChris » Sat, Jan 28, 2017, 8:17 PM UTC

zeteo wrote: post #169

>1. Call 2. Participate 3. Share 4. Vote This is the same kind of bullshit that's lost Hillary the election and got us here in the first place. It might have worked in the '90s to get a gold medal for Rosa Parks. It will not work in 2017 to make Trump back off his core message. The problem here is not that your side isn't loud enough and can't get political attention for an issue. The problem is that the opposing sid…

> Ostracizing people who have links to the opposing side will positively hurt.

Yes. It will positively hurt them. Consider it a price signal, a message. This idea that we somehow have to be nice about this is wrong. This idea that I somehow have to do some soul searching is also wrong.

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by lucb1e » Sat, Jan 28, 2017, 8:17 PM UTC

ebfd wrote: post #464

I voted for Trump, and am very happy with the ban- I don't see the benefit of bringing in Muslim refugees.

I like to see this opposing voice here. Discussion is good. Please though, don't use a throwaway: it makes me think you're a government person or bot.