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Re: Don’t Mess with The Google

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Post by eikenberry »

brongondwana wrote: post #75
a3n wrote: post #64

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Fastmail. I'm just a regular (paying) customer, not a business or anything. I've opened a small number of tickets, one or two of the RTFM variety. I've always got a human response and satisfaction, even a "here, let me RTFM that for you." I can't imagine being locked out of my fastmail account for anything other than abuse of my fastmail account . Or not paying my bill.

We also stalk you on... I mean, we read the same tech news sites you do. (I'm on third line ticket duty right now, so if you have something significantly more complex than RTFM, or an actual bug, you'll probably be talking to me this week) The most common cause of getting locked out other than you abusing your fastmail account is having your credentials stolen and used for spam/fraud, which is why we recommend 2 fact…

I started switching to fastmail due to their economical family plan but then they changed plan structures to where that is no longer available and the new plans were all a lot more expensive for a family. I was grandfathered in (I signed up just before the change), but won't start using a service on a deprecated plan. It was to bad because it seemed very good for the week or so I played with it.

Re: Don’t Mess with The Google

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Post by i336_ »

kajecounterhack wrote: post #475
throwaway98237 wrote: post #142

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If you watch an old tech talk re: Google disaster recovery topic, the Googler explains that a user's info is never fully deleted because it's too expensive to do so given back-up duplication is processed multiple times in multiple locations and sometimes over multiple technologies. In other words, cancel your google account today and your data may be "deleted" but it's really, as in actually really , still on magneti…

I think this may have changed since that talk. I think Google still doesn't technically guarantee full deletion (who knows if someone's GC process messed up or has a bug) but in practice it happens, at least AFAIK. It is expensive. And it does take time, I wouldn't expect all my stuff to be purged until at least 180 days (the 90 days they are supposed to delete after + ~90d for the delete to fully propogate). It also…

Huh. I now get the focus on pure-HDD storage as opposed to using tapes.

Re: Don’t Mess with The Google

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Post by i336_ »

efreak wrote: post #444
simonh wrote: post #442

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You've convinced me. Ordinary consumers should be expected to know how to use command line tools and have memorized service addresses, without having browser access to look any of it up. That's clearly the answer to improve usability and expand consumer access in this situation. How could I not have seen it sooner.

Windows explorer supports ftp. Type ftp://ftp.mozilla.org into your run menu or explorer address bar and you'll get a folder view pop-up. From there it should be rather trivial to find Firefox from inside their ftp directory (not as simple as clicking a download button, but still). I'm not sure if getfirefox.com runs an ftp server. I'm not aware of any popular OS that doesn't have ftp support on the main UI (except A…

I recall a couple occasions:

- Didn't want to open a browser one day but wanted to download the latest version of FF. Thought I'd try FTP. Ultimately gave up on trying to find the right path and Googled it.

Another time (later), I vaguely recall being at a kiosk with IE disabled in various boring ways, and I tried to see if I could download FF (just to see if it was possible) after successfully managing to open the FTP site. I might be misremembering, but I think the only reason I was able to locate the dir properly was because I'd previously made a careful mental note where it was. (It downloaded, but executables were disabled. Those sysadmins did a good job.)

Re: Don’t Mess with The Google

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Post by tw04 »

Mithaldu wrote: post #244
tw04 wrote: post #83

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Equating "copy of my data" with "my housing situation" is even more silly. Google isn't TAKING anything from you by locking the account, they are simply destroying what should be one of many COPIES of your data.

Sorry, but you misread that, the housing situation comes into play by way of gmail also being a mailing receipt address and key for many locks.

This would be the equivalent of you putting your key in a mailbox on the corner that you don't own, free of use, with no guarantees around it being there at any point in time. One day you go to grab your key and it's gone. Who's at fault? Google LITERALLY tells you in the TOS that you both don't own any content served up by their platform, and that they may suspend you at any time they choose.

>We may suspend or stop providing our Services to you if you do not comply with our terms or policies or if we are investigating suspected misconduct.

>Using our Services does not give you ownership of any intellectual property rights in our Services or the content you access.

If that's where you're storing your "key" - you should probably re-evaluate your personal storage policies.

Re: Don’t Mess with The Google

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Post by Mithaldu »

tw04 wrote: post #484
Mithaldu wrote: post #244

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Sorry, but you misread that, the housing situation comes into play by way of gmail also being a mailing receipt address and key for many locks.

This would be the equivalent of you putting your key in a mailbox on the corner that you don't own, free of use, with no guarantees around it being there at any point in time. One day you go to grab your key and it's gone. Who's at fault? Google LITERALLY tells you in the TOS that you both don't own any content served up by their platform, and that they may suspend you at any time they choose. >We may suspend or stop…

Look, i could try and explain this all in detail, but i'm tired of it.

You're acting the same as Google. Cold logic, zero humanity. Go hug someone you care about. Maybe even a child or someone elder. Then run through through your head how it would feel telling them what you said.

Re: Don’t Mess with The Google

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Post by yuubi »

simonh wrote: post #442
yuubi wrote: post #373

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ftp ftp.netscape.com

You've convinced me. Ordinary consumers should be expected to know how to use command line tools and have memorized service addresses, without having browser access to look any of it up. That's clearly the answer to improve usability and expand consumer access in this situation. How could I not have seen it sooner.

At the time, before browsers were standard equipment, ftp was a normal way to obtain software. There were gui ftp clients available at the time, but I have no idea how people usually got those (whether dialup bbs, downloading with the bundled default ftp utility, passed on a disk by a friend, or bought on a disk).

Re: Don’t Mess with The Google

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Post by ucaetano »

jdietrich wrote: post #422
ucaetano wrote: post #249

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And do you ever control an URL? No, you don't. So the only way to satisfy Rule Zero is by never engaging in any URL-related activity.

>And do you ever control an URL? No, you don't. Well, yes. If I own a domain name, I can point that domain at any resource I choose. I might be technically "renting" the name from a registry via a registrar, but for all practical purposes I'm in control of it.

Until a government, registry or large ISP decides to take that control from you, which can happen nearly instantly. Or someone uses social engineering to take the domain from you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex.com
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