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Re: “It's The Future”

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Post by bigger_cheese »

jventura wrote: post #238
rajeshp1986 wrote: post #109

The article perfectly summarizes my frustration and sentiment. These days I hear these buzzwords all time. I work as a consultant for an enterprise product and most people whom I meet they somehow catch these buzzwords and blurt it out in front of everyone during meetings and discussions to either showoff that they know technology and things that are in the market these days(also latest iphone, apple news, tesla, spa…

Oh, I feel your pain! There's too much fashion going on in this industry, and the high salaries and the youth rediscovering the same concepts from 40 years ago doesn't help.. I mean, it's great to have this new tech and all, but when you're trying to build something to last some years, sometimes it's hard to filter the crap between all the buzzwords. It just reinforces the thought that smart people should just leave…

I think a lot of this churn can be sidestepped if you avoid startups and instead work for an "Enterprise" organisation. everything is much less cutting edge. In fact technology progression is pretty much glacial.

If you look at what technology was popular 10-15 years ago then that's what will be in use in Enterprises now. Java web services is currently the big thing at my company.

All the late 90's business apps which were in Visual Basic, Oracle Forms and Access are being rewritten as Java web services at the moment by an army of contractors. In another 10-15 years they will be rewritten again in the language Du Jour of today probably Go. It's an endless cycle.

Re: “It's The Future”

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Post by pbecotte »

cerebellum42 wrote: post #235

This definitely reflects some of my experiences when trying out Docker and some of the other stuff associated with it. Serious question though: I would absolutely love to have an introduction on how to use Docker to deploy one or two web applications that use a typical amount of backend services, say some sort of database and a redis server. All of this would probably run on a single VM (whether Amazon, DigitalOcean,…

My personal blog is basically an example of deploying a simple app using docker. HTTPS://GitHub.com/pbecotte/devblog ... The makefile wraps up the actual commands.

Re: “It's The Future”

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Post by Retra »

avindroth wrote: post #282
rajeshp1986 wrote: post #109

The article perfectly summarizes my frustration and sentiment. These days I hear these buzzwords all time. I work as a consultant for an enterprise product and most people whom I meet they somehow catch these buzzwords and blurt it out in front of everyone during meetings and discussions to either showoff that they know technology and things that are in the market these days(also latest iphone, apple news, tesla, spa…

Our industry is a pop culture. A fad. Computer science is not a real field.

This comment makes me believe that you've never been exposed to any computer science.

Re: “It's The Future”

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Post by Retra »

scrupulusalbion wrote: post #463
JustSomeNobody wrote: post #274

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Having to work with people who see caution and wisdom as "getting old".

Virtues are generally disregarded by those who seek instant gratification. Most of the times that I bring up the concept of virtue to my peers in age they seem either confused with the concept or contemptuous of it. They behave like virtue is a purely religious thing, yet caution in the face of possible danger is a very basic survival skill.

That's probably because you're talking about 'virtue' as an abstract quality, rather than good decision making as a practical framework.

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Post by brianpgordon »

wtbob wrote: post #249
jules wrote: post #154

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In practice micro services mean that you turn a function or method call into a network request. This doesn't really limit communication bottlenecks. It is often more difficult to argee on a network interface than on a simple function or object interface. It's also more difficult to change. You introduce a whole new set of failure modes due to going over the network. Debugging is more difficult since you now can no lo…

> You introduce a whole new set of failure modes due to going over the network. A thousand times yes. Distributed systems are hard . > Debugging is more difficult since you now can no longer step through your program in a debugger but rather have an opaque network request that you can't step into. Yes . Folks underestimate how difficult this can be. In theory it should be possible to have tooling to fix this, but I'v…

> > You can no longer use editor/IDE features like go to definition. > Not a problem with a good editor.

What editor are you thinking of that can jump from HTTP client API calls to the corresponding handler on the server?

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Post by dredmorbius »

alpeb wrote: post #320
rajeshp1986 wrote: post #109

The article perfectly summarizes my frustration and sentiment. These days I hear these buzzwords all time. I work as a consultant for an enterprise product and most people whom I meet they somehow catch these buzzwords and blurt it out in front of everyone during meetings and discussions to either showoff that they know technology and things that are in the market these days(also latest iphone, apple news, tesla, spa…

I remember Larry Ellison saying once that the only industry more driven by fashion than fashion itself was IT. That was when the «cloud» thing was starting to take off. He was refusing to have Oracle use those new buzzwords, but at the end he was forced to.

Perhaps because in both fashion and IT, the surface appearance conceals a tremendous amount of underlying complexity.

Fashion signals, well, virtually everything about social interactions. A tremendously complex world. Including, for that matter, whether or not you care about fashion trends, and quite possibly, why you might or might not (you're not in the game, you've quit the game, you're so fabulously successful you don't need to play the game, you couldn't play the game if you wanted to, ...)

In IT, TLAs, ETLAs, buzzwords, slogans, brands, companies, tool names, etc., all speak to what you know, or very often, don't know. It's not possible to transmit deep understanding instantaneously, so we're left with other means of trying to impart significance.

Crucially, the fact that clothing and IT fashion are so superficial (of necessity) means they can be game, and that those who are good at following just the surface messages can dive in. Some quite effectively. But they're not communicating the originally intended meaning.

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Post by Retra »

tom-lord wrote: post #142
tormeh wrote: post #89

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Why not use Python instead? Shellscript is so... chaotic.

Shell/batch scripting can often be useful in the devops world, where you have no guarantee that any additional tools (python, ruby, perl, powershell, whatever) wil be available. Shell scripts are guaranteed to be runnable on all machines. Unfortunately the shell "language" sucks, but still...

Shell languages are great at doing interactive programming. Few non-shell languages can match the convenience, flexibility, and expressiveness in that domain. Of course, in any other domain (scripts) they are awful.

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Post by avindroth »

Retra wrote: post #484
avindroth wrote: post #282

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Our industry is a pop culture. A fad. Computer science is not a real field.

This comment makes me believe that you've never been exposed to any computer science.

Of course not. I am in undergrad.

But I think Alan Kay has been "exposed" to computer science, and I follow his logic, based on my limited scope of knowledge.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvmTSpJU-Xc

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Post by Retra »

mbrock wrote: post #366
lmm wrote: post #338

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Shell does things well provided all the intermediate states are naturally expressible as streams of bytes. Otherwise not so much. I think the advantages of using a single language for everything outweigh the disadvantages - see e.g. http://www.teamten.com/lawrence/writings/java-for-everything... (though actually my single language is Scala)

Everything in a computer is a stream of bytes... My shell scripts often use tools like jq and jshon to deal with JSON structures, etc. File hierarchies can also be very pleasant data structures. The kinds of scripts I write would be awkward to have as compiled JVM programs, I think. Shell is just way more ergonomic for me for many tasks.

Everything in a computer can be interpreted as a stream of bytes. For most things an object is a better interpretation.
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