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Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by vlehto »

Juliate wrote: post #36
icebraining wrote: post #27

Yet another post for HN to one-up each other decrying the "PC culture" with plenty of "kids these days" rants, while completely avoiding taking the charitable position and putting ourselves in their shoes. The amount of hypocrisy that comes with the claims that these students should "learn to cope with uncomfortable ideas" is staggering. Guess what: these students are presenting us with an "uncomfortable idea" and th…

The idea that people's feelings should come first (especially before truth/understanding of reality) is not uncomfortable, but a dangerous, misleading, childish posture. University is for adults, not toddlers.

>University is for adults, not toddlers.

This argument is basically "You belong to social group X. You cannot opt out." Then followed by "because to social group X, you have to behave in Y way. Because that's how X people behave."

Depending on the surrounding culture, with that argument you can justify: why men have to wear ties, why young men should be sent to war, why women should wear burkha, etc. Anything conservative goes.

I'm not disagreeing with your actual point. I'm just trying to point out that your argument is bad.

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by kej »

forrestthewoods wrote: post #392
edc117 wrote: post #380

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When you throw terms like 'the liberal left' into the discussion, it really derails any point you're trying to make. I'll be the first to admit I don't really watch much political discourse, but I've seen plenty of this behavior from pretty much everyone. IMO maybe, but stay objective.

The safe space and microaggression movement is primarily a left/liberal/progressive movement. That is objective.

Sure, and the KKK is objectively primarily a right/conservative movement. It still derails a conversation if you lump all conservatives together with the KKK.

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by jazzyk »

danharaj wrote: post #396
jazzyk wrote: post #201

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As to women on campus, NCVS, the agency of the United States Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) reports around 0.4% rape rate, two orders of magnitude less from the numbers you quote (and if you look at the chart, decreasing over the past 20 years) From Wikipedia: A 2014 assessment by Sinozich and Langton used longitudinal data from the NCVS to measure rape and sexual assault among college aged U.S. women from 1995 t…

> owever, results reported by the NCVS are consistently lower than studies using other methodologies, and researchers have charged that the question wording, context, and sampling methodology used on the NCVS leads a systematic underestimate of the incidence of rape and sexual assault.[5][14][15] A recent assessment of the NCVS methodology conducted by the National Research Council pointed to four flaws in the NCSV a…

Other studies used completely unscientific methods (starting with VERY small sample size, also, extending the definition to include sexual assault, which could be verbal abuse, or anything really).

Relevant quote:

"The one-in-five estimate, on the other hand, comes from the federally funded Campus Sexual Assault Study (CSA), a 2006 web survey of more than 5,000 women and 1,000 men attending two unnamed, large public universities.

As Yoffe points out, two campuses is an awfully small sample.

Christopher Krebs, a senior researcher at a non-profit research group, RTI International, who led the Campus Sexual Assault Study, acknowledges that. “The one-in-five statistic is not anything we trotted out as a national statistic,” he says. “But it has certainly been used in that way” — most prominently by President Obama. "

https://www.themarshallproject.org/2014/12/11/the-dueling-da...

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by Retric »

aggieben wrote: post #411
lghh wrote: post #199

I have a friend who attended OKWU a few years ago. She shared this piece on Facebook in approval. From what I know from her education there, this place is essentially a "safe-space" for Christians. If you say anything negative about the religion or its teachings, you are kicked out. If you don't follow its rules, you are kicked out. If you drink, smoke, have premarital sex, are lgbtq, don't follow their strict ethics…

There's a stark difference between a free and voluntary association of like-minded people and a so-called "safe space", which uses a pretext of "victimization" to capriciously thought control others who simply committed the offense of disagreeing or criticizing. If you hate Christianity, why would you go to this school? If you aren't willing to follow behavioral rules, why would you go to this school? If you think ph…

Collage is often not a free choice for many students. Parent or guardians are likely to pick such places and students who 'wake up to reality' or 'lose faith' are a long way from voluntary association.

Now if you want to argue about how narrow blinkers need to be before a horse is blind then your just missing the point. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blinkers_(horse_tack)

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by wstrange »

tankenmate wrote: post #241
merpnderp wrote: post #208

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Learning only happens when there are consequences for being wrong. Aside from being ridiculed by people they disagree with and thus don't care about being ridiculed by, they have faced no consequences.

Ridicule is a consequence, bring back the stocks I say! (only half joking...)

I think the modern equivalent is called Twitter

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by maldusiecle »

aggieben wrote: post #411
lghh wrote: post #199

I have a friend who attended OKWU a few years ago. She shared this piece on Facebook in approval. From what I know from her education there, this place is essentially a "safe-space" for Christians. If you say anything negative about the religion or its teachings, you are kicked out. If you don't follow its rules, you are kicked out. If you drink, smoke, have premarital sex, are lgbtq, don't follow their strict ethics…

There's a stark difference between a free and voluntary association of like-minded people and a so-called "safe space", which uses a pretext of "victimization" to capriciously thought control others who simply committed the offense of disagreeing or criticizing. If you hate Christianity, why would you go to this school? If you aren't willing to follow behavioral rules, why would you go to this school? If you think ph…

Gee, think you have enough scare quotes around? There absolutely are victims on college campuses--victims of sexual assault, of racist acts of violence, of acts of intimidation based on their sexual orientation. I knew people who suffered these things. It's crap to act as if this is all made up.

The purpose of safe spaces isn't to impose thought control, it's to allow people who have suffered a chance to recover. You can choose to enter one, or you can choose to stay out of one. It's purely a matter of free association. (Perhaps you're thinking of "speech codes"? I agree in opposing those, but it's a separate issue.) A safe space is nothing more than a "free and voluntary association of like-minded people."

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Post by wpietri »

merpnderp wrote: post #208
wpietri wrote: post #184

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And honestly, I'm fine with that. Universities are for learning, and real learning comes from doing. The questions the students were grappling with are real ones. I expect they misapplied them here, as the yoga traditions I'm familiar with are mostly conscious Indian exports, their effort to share something with the world. But students should frequently get things wrong, because that's how real learning happens.

Learning only happens when there are consequences for being wrong. Aside from being ridiculed by people they disagree with and thus don't care about being ridiculed by, they have faced no consequences.

One, international ridicule is a notable consequence. Two, you have no idea what else has happened to them, so you have no grounds for suggesting they have experienced nothing that might aid them in learning. Three, most useful motivation for learning is intrinsic, not extrinsic, so what matters most for their learning is their own opinions on what happened, another thing you don't have access to.

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Post by darkr »

jccc wrote: post #419
joeclark77 wrote: post #406

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It doesn't contain the word "Creationism". The word "Creation" simply means "the universe", i.e. that which is created.

Fair enough. What then does "Integration of the Biblical Principles into life sciences" mean?

It means that the correct application of capitalisation is not part of the syllabus.

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Post by dragonwriter »

aggieben wrote: post #422
[deleted] wrote: post #404

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Not entirely sure what all you're getting at, but you don't find conservatives running around offended that you said "estate tax" instead of "death tax" or, more importantly, trying to make others use their preferred euphemism. Having said that, I fully admit there may be a few phrases that conservatives might be a bit sensitive to, but it would surely be a very short list.

Yes, actually, I do see conservatives running around upset because people don't use the correct conservative propaganda terms to describe things, our reading against people for using certain words or not using certain preferred words just about every day (one of the joys of having a politically drivers Facebook circle); these only difference abroad the political spectrum that I see on that issue, besides the particular preferred terms, is that on the right there ideas more offense at people not using favored terms, and on the left there is more offense at people using disfavored terms. But there's offense at both on both sides.

Re: This Is Not a Day Care. It’s a University

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Post by ceejayoz »

yummyfajitas wrote: post #372
afarrell wrote: post #333

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In theory, we should all be able to evaluate the validity data on our own, so this tactic is dumb. In reality, we have no practical way of doing this. So, whenever we cite a source of data, we are implicitly saying "This is a credible source for the statement is making. You can trust that they have done the work to make sure they aren't just repeating their own biases." And in the case of some organizations and peopl…

In reality we have no practical way to take the DOJ's data table to find the number of black on white crimes? Let me introduce you to data science. First I'll read the numnbers in row 2 column 2 and row 2 column 5. Then I'll plug them into ipython: $ ipython ... In [4]: 4091971*0.137 Out[4]: 560600.027 Do the same for row 3 col 2 and row 3 col 4: In [6]: 955800 * 0.104 Out[6]: 99403.2 Looks like the article was right…

That's not data science, that's middle school multiplication.

Data science would be trying to find out why and putting it into context, especially if there are variables in play that aren't shown by a cursory look. Which a white supremacist has little interest in.

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