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“Two days ago the police came to me and wanted me to stop working on this”
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Re: “Two days ago the police came to me and wanted me to stop working on this”
#482Earlier quoted context omitted.
This might sound a bit counter intuitive but they really hate OpenVPN and SSH tunnels - not to mention they are trivial to detect and the process is highly automated. Traditional VPNs such as PPTP/IPsec as well as various forms of obfuscated proxies are generally not interfered with unless something major happens. A lot of the alleged "censorship" are actually symptoms of high latency and packet loss on home connecti…
I suppose that means OpenVPN and SSH are too secure for the Chinese government to eavesdrop on. PPTP, on the other hand, has been known to be insecure for ages. So... could you avoid detection by passing an SSH tunnel through a PPTP VPN? Add enough layers, and the censors might not bother to unwrap all of them.
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#483Earlier quoted context omitted.
You don't need everyone to leave, just a relentlessly growing percentage. At some point the system starts to crack, and either they relent or it breaks. In the USA, there is the fundamental notion of "consent of the governed" - if enough people won't submit, the government cannot function.
That's true anywhere, and it's what governments of all stripes worry about and steer. Western ones do it with a bit more finesse, but there's little fundamental difference. It's why Chomsky talks about 'manufacturing consent', and why marketing is an important field for Western governments, as covered in some detail by Adam Curtis. The UK government even have a unit dedicated to 'nudge theory'.
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#484I was visiting China recently (my first time there). I thought bypassing The Great Firewall was going to be as simple as an "ssh -D" SOCKS setup, or a "ssh -w" tunnel. Oh boy, I was wrong. If you try this, or even a basic OpenVPN setup, you will quickly find out your VPN works fine for about 5 minutes, but then latency increases to 5sec, 10sec, 30sec(!), and then everything times out. After some research I read onlin…
In my experience ... spending a lot of time working in China ... most people use Astrill or ExpressVPN. I'm surprised no one has mentioned them here yet. They own the VPN market in China. Almost every senior developer I've met here subscribes to one or the other -- with Astrill being far ahead in terms of user base. They both champion their "stealth" options and other than the odd day you don't really notice the GFW.…
Re: “Two days ago the police came to me and wanted me to stop working on this”
#485Re: “Two days ago the police came to me and wanted me to stop working on this”
#486I was visiting China recently (my first time there). I thought bypassing The Great Firewall was going to be as simple as an "ssh -D" SOCKS setup, or a "ssh -w" tunnel. Oh boy, I was wrong. If you try this, or even a basic OpenVPN setup, you will quickly find out your VPN works fine for about 5 minutes, but then latency increases to 5sec, 10sec, 30sec(!), and then everything times out. After some research I read onlin…
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#487Tangential, but the icon is from 星空のメモリア, a Japanese game. It has not been turned into anime, so can he read Japanese decently, or just using random pics?
Re: “Two days ago the police came to me and wanted me to stop working on this”
#488Earlier quoted context omitted.
Allegedly it's mostly or at least originally Cisco's technology: https://insidersurveillance.com/cisco-huawei-and-semptian-a-... .
And let's not forget BlueCoat. These are our colleagues designing and implementing these tools of oppression. We should ask them why they exercise their talents in this way.
Chief among these was the Three Kingdoms War when up to 40 million are reckoned to have perished in military operations and from the destructive consequences of warfare. This is an enormous number, considering that the global population at that time is unlikely to have exceeded 400 million. More recently, the Taiping Rebellion claimed more than 20 million lives while the civil war that brought the Communist Party to power resulted in 7.5 million deaths, over and above the 20 million estimated to have been killed in the roughly contemporary Japanese invasion.
This is not the history we were taught at school but Chinese leaders are well aware of these facts.
When disorder breaks out in China, things turn very nasty indeed.
It is best, therefore, to avoid disorder at almost any cost."
That is why.
Or would you prefer to have China descend into the chaos of Rwanda or Sudan ?
Re: “Two days ago the police came to me and wanted me to stop working on this”
#489Earlier quoted context omitted.
The 'universal right of ... free expression' that you mention is not quite universal. One does not simply have the right to declare that all members of [insert group] should be [insert unpleasant fate's verb's past participle]: there happen to be hate speech laws... similar situation for slander. That's all very well, but then one finds that anti-Iraq War activists have those same provisions used upon them. What's to…
The fact that you can't legally say anything any time you want does not imply that there is no legally protected right to free expression. It isn't a slippery slope to a dictatorship. "We should gas all the Jews, rise up with me" isn't just free expression. It is also an act with predictable consequences.
The most likely consequence would be the antagonist getting shouted down and shunned. If you have to worry about a pogrom breaking out as a result of inflammatory speech then you likely have deeper issues to worry about.
Re: “Two days ago the police came to me and wanted me to stop working on this”
#490Earlier quoted context omitted.
And let's not forget BlueCoat. These are our colleagues designing and implementing these tools of oppression. We should ask them why they exercise their talents in this way.
"Of the ten conflicts in human history with the highest death tolls, five were civil wars in China. Chief among these was the Three Kingdoms War when up to 40 million are reckoned to have perished in military operations and from the destructive consequences of warfare. This is an enormous number, considering that the global population at that time is unlikely to have exceeded 400 million. More recently, the Taiping R…
If they are using oppression to avoid disorder, they better have long term plan. Otherwise they are digging their own grave.
Not many people fear of chaos in the USA and not because they have the best firewall.