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US Military's cyber command unit grapples with cluster of deaths by suicide

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Post by thin_carapace »

andsoitis wrote: post #460
thin_carapace wrote: post #419

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm personally acquainted with multiple people who figured out that their mental health symptoms were downstream effects of natural phenomena (diet incompatible with genotype, insufficient sunlight exposure, excessive work stress, etc), with resultant drastic improvement of mental condition after root cause rectification. any reason in particular for you to have asked?

Here is a list of mental health disorders from the World Health Organization: https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/mental-diso... Which of these triggered for one of those people by one of the things you listed (like diet incompatible with genotype)?

you didn't answer me directly, I'm not obliged either. MTHFR (and possibly COMT) are examples where genotype directly influences nutrient absorption. when the human body is unaligned (poor nutrient absorption, improper physical engagement, etc), symptoms such as depression and mania are expected behaviour. your link is a list of similar symptoms grouped under labels. I find it more pertinent to assess individual symptoms and progress from there.

sometimes mental conditions are temporary and resolvable. sometimes mental conditions are permanent and symptom alleviation is the best option. both are true. we are assessing the interface to the entire body here, all traffic flows through this node to a certain degree. problematic traffic can be caused by an issue local to the central node, but this possibility does not exclude the potential for data to be problematic on arrival.

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Post by cookiengineer »

golem14 wrote: post #418
cookiengineer wrote: post #301

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> This is essentially one article about criminals recruiting young people. Is Russia FSB (or even Russia) even mentioned? Generally if an article is about FSB, it implies Russia. Otherwise, you would have to admit that Russia is a failed state if the FSB acts without Putin's knowledge or control. For example, google the luckystrike account with underscores ("l_u_c_k_y_s_t_r_i_k_e"). Example results: - https://news.sk…

Yes, but these articles are over a year old. this is really scratching the bottom of the barrel, no? Look, I'm not saying this isn't happening. It's just that there's really not a lot of evidence that this is rampant (and I think that's what GGP seeemed to imply). This whole thing reads a lot like hyperbole/propaganda, and it wouldn't have to.

> It's just that there's really not a lot of evidence that this is rampant

Not sure what is "rampant" in your view, and what is not. There's been multiple attempts of murder, multiple linked assassinations, across multiple nation states with multiple different jurisdictions.

> Yes, but these articles are over a year old. this is really scratching the bottom of the barrel, no?

You asked for verifiable sources, I provided some. Enter the same keywords into google and pick your own ones. There's at least 10 more pages on google that you can read.

Pretty much everything I linked as credible and verifiable sources weren't good enough for you. You either don't give a shit or you're trolling.

Either way, I don't care enough about your opinion to continue to do this childish game of 4chan-esque whataboutism.

Re: US Military's cyber command unit grapples with cluster of deaths by suicide

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Post by sigmarule »

halJordan wrote: post #138
somenameforme wrote: post #118

I'm curious if LLMs have a role here. They're phenomenally capable at cyber stuff, and the military is without doubt taking full advantage of this. For people who's sole identity is tied into something that LLMs become better than them at, it seems easy to imagine that zooming straight on over to existential crisis territory.

Absolutely not. The problem is solely op tempo since the Iran war started. Leadership in cyber is famous for "surging" It's quite normal. But cyber specifically refuses to allow the surge to end. It becomes "the new normal." This was already straining the force before the Iran war but the civilian leadership now demand constant cyber effects and that pressure cascades down. It's hard to emphasize how effective cyber…

Even if you are on the inside, there is absolutely no way you can say "absolutely not" with enough certainty to justify saying it in the first place.

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Post by Sabinus »

bijowo1676 wrote: post #454
Sabinus wrote: post #356

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Civilians die in wars, and that's with the best intentions of all parties to the conflict. If one or both has got radicalised, then a lot of civilians die in war.

you are justifying 9/11 attack on the US, the similar logic to yours was used by Al-Qaeda

No, I'm explaining to you that accidental civilian casualties in a war is a normal part of the terrible activity that is war. Good soldiers with the best of intentions will kill civilians in a war, because war is chaotic and very dangerous.

Radicalised soldiers and armies will give less and less concern to civilians, and at a certain hated level civilians actually will get targeted by individual soldiers or squads. If it then moves up the command chain and there's not enough accountability or pushback from the top leadership then you get to proper genocidal actions like what happened at Srebrenica.

Targeting civilians for death is not acceptable or justifiable.

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Post by victorbjorklund »

superkuh wrote: post #434
victorbjorklund wrote: post #259

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Are American citizens always innocent? From what I have seen many Americans are guilty of a lot of bad stuff.

This american citizen minor certainly was. And the claim of collateral damage is already shown false by the fact that they went after the kid (16 years old) intentionally, twice. Even after they knew his father was already dead. Oh, and by the way, they never indicted the father or showed evidence against the father either. Neither were in a war zone of any sort. The other examples on the second wikipedia link were l…

I am just against this racist thing where it is worse to kill an American citizen than a non-citizen.

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Post by victorbjorklund »

xanthor wrote: post #268
victorbjorklund wrote: post #263

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That is true for all people. Not just Americans. It’s just disgusting to say that all Americans are innocent but we can assume others are guilty. As far as I know Bin Laden was killed without ever being tried in a criminal court. Are school shooters in America innocent if they are killed before getting a trial?

I’m speaking with regards to the American legal system. Yes the endless foreign wars are also unconstitutional.

But do you think it was wrong to kill Bin Ladin since you see him as innocent since he didn’t have his day in court?

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Post by victorbjorklund »

swat535 wrote: post #458
victorbjorklund wrote: post #258

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They probably didn’t kill just innocent people.

So far about 3,000 of them, including 160 children (the 3.00 includes more children than 160 but I'm singling that out).. in this war alone. I promise you that you didn't kill 3,000+ IRGC members.

Im not an American. I didn’t kill anyone.

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Post by bijowo1676 »

Sabinus wrote: post #474
bijowo1676 wrote: post #454

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you are justifying 9/11 attack on the US, the similar logic to yours was used by Al-Qaeda

No, I'm explaining to you that accidental civilian casualties in a war is a normal part of the terrible activity that is war. Good soldiers with the best of intentions will kill civilians in a war, because war is chaotic and very dangerous. Radicalised soldiers and armies will give less and less concern to civilians, and at a certain hated level civilians actually will get targeted by individual soldiers or squads. I…

> civilian casualties in a war is a normal part

> Targeting civilians for death is not acceptable or justifiable.

so we have numerous evidence of US and its allied forces deliberatly murdering civilians and nothing happens. Why do you think targeting is not acceptable? from the evidence of dead innocent civilians, it sure as hell, seems like the military people think its acceptable and justifiable (which you just tried to justify by calling it "normal part")

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Post by Sabinus »

dijksterhuis wrote: post #175
strictnein wrote: post #104

It's sad how many people are commenting on this with insane conspiracy theories and that people are actually responding in support of them. Really shows how falling into echo chambers online and buying into conspiracy theories can cause significant harm to ones ability to think rationally.

it's pretty much impossible to engage with people in a sane way in threads like this. hide and move on.

The problem with that is, eventually the conspiracy people think that there's no good answer to what they're saying.

That, and all the undecided lurkers reading pages of unchallenged conspiracy.

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Post by laughing_man »

nosmokewhereiam wrote: post #111

Glad to see this brought up! My entire Air Force experience is blocked to comment on besides basic training...Tech school and forward is NDA'd, read in, etc You don't really get to sneak a glimpse of operations and write a book like the SEALs seem get to (jk!)

My dad did 20 in the USAF. We would ask him about his work and he would just shrug. He wasn't allowed to say anything. Eventually we stopped asking -- what would be the point?

Decades later I found out he felt like nobody cared about him because we stopped asking about his work.

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