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Ford AI hiccups push carmaker to rehire ‘gray beard’ inspectors

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Re: Ford AI hiccups push carmaker to rehire ‘gray beard’ inspectors

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Post by PowerElectronix »

mikae1 wrote: post #452
lostglass wrote: post #416

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"You can't use reflection if the classes aren't in the class loader" "I see why you would think that however this should work, let's test it." -Claude, burning my company's money.

> Claude, burning my company's money. And the planet... While I experience some schadenfreude when reading these comments from programmers, I also can not help to wonder when this insanity will this end.

There's nothing people run out of faster than other people's money. I expect this second half of the year we see that the cracks in the AI business grow and bring the whole thing down.

Just a bit after anthropic and openAI unload the "value" of their companies into retail investors.

Re: Ford AI hiccups push carmaker to rehire ‘gray beard’ inspectors

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Post by reactordev »

tudelo wrote: post #396
plaguuuuuu wrote: post #392

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AI mandate is one of the best things that's happened to me. It's the easiest metric to game in the world. At one point my boss asked why my AI usage was lower than other team members. I instantly knew what to do. Every session is now run at ultracode effort. My automated PR review bot averages like $80 in usage per PR review.

It is extremely easy to burn tokens if that is required. Explore this codebase. Team x wants y feature, research and generate a full plan. What does feature x in codebase y actually mean? Analyze code coverage in x. Map out code flow and find concurrency bugs in y and on and on... Oh and my favorite: Use 5 independent subagents to review code change and summarize the findings, and for any finding determine if they ar…

Let us not forget /ralph-loop “explore the codebase for bugs, write tests for each bug found but do not fix the bug, only capture its existence in testing” will ensure your agent never stops burning tokens.

Re: Ford AI hiccups push carmaker to rehire ‘gray beard’ inspectors

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Post by Applejinx »

mikae1 wrote: post #452
lostglass wrote: post #416

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"You can't use reflection if the classes aren't in the class loader" "I see why you would think that however this should work, let's test it." -Claude, burning my company's money.

> Claude, burning my company's money. And the planet... While I experience some schadenfreude when reading these comments from programmers, I also can not help to wonder when this insanity will this end.

Worse'n crypto… which I would not have believed possible.

Re: Ford AI hiccups push carmaker to rehire ‘gray beard’ inspectors

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Post by katzgrau »

EmanuelB wrote: post #408
plaguuuuuu wrote: post #392

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AI mandate is one of the best things that's happened to me. It's the easiest metric to game in the world. At one point my boss asked why my AI usage was lower than other team members. I instantly knew what to do. Every session is now run at ultracode effort. My automated PR review bot averages like $80 in usage per PR review.

https://github.com/dtnewman/burn-baby-burn Get ready for that promotion!

The real unlock is at line 149 of bin/burn

Re: Ford AI hiccups push carmaker to rehire ‘gray beard’ inspectors

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Post by ben_w »

tgv wrote: post #455
Forgeties79 wrote: post #433

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If your manager is asking you why you aren’t hammering 500 nails a day with your company hammer under threat of replacement, you’re going stop worrying about the surfaces your driving nails in to and simply start swinging.

1. It is not comparable. Idk the environmental toll of 500 nails, but tokenmaxxing definitely has one. Especially when it doesn't have any provable and substantial benefit. 2. Your responsibility doesn't end because your manager says so. 3. It's not just about the employee who actually burns the tokens, but also about the rest of it: the idiocy up to the top, and the irresponsibility of the companies offering the ser…

> 1. It is not comparable. Idk the environmental toll of 500 nails, but tokenmaxxing definitely has one. Especially when it doesn't have any provable and substantial benefit.

Then pretend it was 5 million nails a day from a newly invented nail machine gun. This also has no provable and substantial benefit. Build a house that way and it will quickly be more nail by mass than everything else combined.

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Post by orlp »

kamranjon wrote: post #410
achow wrote: post #399

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OP to me sounds more authentic and seems to have inside information. After a quick search I found a publication actually mentioning about these tools: Ford previously told Business Insider that it had developed two bespoke AI-enhanced scanning tools that helped validate that cars were properly assembled before rolling off the lot. The tools, called AiTriz and MAIVs, both debuted in 2024. https://autos.yahoo.com/polic…

A fine-tuned classifier purpose fit for a specific task can easily outperform a SOTA LLM on more modest hardware and often makes a lot more sense.

If your data is sufficiently noisy or your relationship sufficiently simple a linear regression will outperform a SOTA LLM.

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Post by MaKey »

KronisLV wrote: post #414
plaguuuuuu wrote: post #392

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AI mandate is one of the best things that's happened to me. It's the easiest metric to game in the world. At one point my boss asked why my AI usage was lower than other team members. I instantly knew what to do. Every session is now run at ultracode effort. My automated PR review bot averages like $80 in usage per PR review.

I'd unironically like my workplace to cover AI spend for me. There's so, so much mechanically simple but time consuming refactoring that should be done but nobody ever does that because there's never enough free time. Or even various utility scripts and at least finding out of date docs (or writing very basic ones where none exist, though it'd be hard to get them not to feel like slop writing). Or figuring out what a…

I've had great success with OpenCode Go and DeepSeek v4 Flash for Terraform code refactorings and extensions. It's cheap enough to pay it yourself ($5 first month, $10 afterwards). Ideally you provide the model a feedback loop (e. g. passing tests) so it can safely iterate.

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Post by hdgvhicv »

tasuki wrote: post #394
tiew9Vii wrote: post #379

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The dystopian future where no one owns cars is already being laid. Cars are more and more becoming white goods appliances with the driving experience becoming less and less a priority. Even enthusiast cars now are about raw numbers and need electronics to reign them in to make useable for the average driver on the average road. The average user probably doesn’t even want to drive and have AI do it for them. Repairabi…

> The dystopian future where no one owns cars is already being laid. Pardon me? We're living in the dystopian present, where most everyone has a car or several. Cities are crowded with cars -- both moving and parked -- and it's awful for humans who aren't cars. I can't wait for the moment people switch to a subscription and the cars are shared and drive themselves. The streets will be just as full of moving cars, but…

Probably be used for more ones for cars

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Post by horizion2025 »

frgturpwd wrote: post #464

The world might slowly realize that a lot of generative goodness and direction is the result of our limitations and constraints as builders, not necessarily our velocity.

The article is not about generative AI at all.

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Post by hdgvhicv »

pammf wrote: post #456

AI is here to stay. Like it or not. We will still see several reports of over adoption, mistakes, regression… all will only serve to learn, refine, and hopefully regulate. I think it’s pretty naive to expect the entire world will simply discard the technology and go back to having humans doing it all.

The value of the ai firms isn’t in building a useful tool to increase productivity of your staff by 20%. It’s not an electric drill.

It’s to replace 99% of your staff. In every industry.

Ai will be a useful tool, but either companies like OpenAI are massively overvalued or the economy will completely vanish at a high speed and their valuation will be meaningless.

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