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Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by gershy » Sun, Aug 02, 2026, 3:59 PM UTC

hardbass wrote: post #469

gershy wrote: post #468

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Israel is physically immune to being displaced, and there is good reason to think it would be a fine western-style steward when not under duress. Even israeli jewish radicalism has historically been far less prevalent in peacetime. On the settler accusation, we still haven't fleshed out the nature of property rights outside of any state. Without coming to an understanding here we have no framework in which to judge i…

Israel is immune as of yet due to parasitizing off western countries like Germany and USA. There is no reason to think they won't be much weakened if that support evaporates. It cannot be a "Western" steward if it violates the most fundamental principle of capitalism and western government viz property rights. Therefore again, my ideal and most just solution would be all land declared void and any people with valid i…

Also, would you be interested to continue this conversation by phone or video call? We've been at this for more than a month now and I admire your respectfulness and tenacity and perspective, and I think we could get to the core of our disagreement more quickly in realtime. If you were interested I'd post my email here and we could exchange contact details!

Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by hardbass » Thu, Aug 06, 2026, 5:11 PM UTC

gershy wrote: post #470

hardbass wrote: post #469

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Israel is immune as of yet due to parasitizing off western countries like Germany and USA. There is no reason to think they won't be much weakened if that support evaporates. It cannot be a "Western" steward if it violates the most fundamental principle of capitalism and western government viz property rights. Therefore again, my ideal and most just solution would be all land declared void and any people with valid i…

Israel is a nuclear power; it can't really be displaced. It sounds like the terms "ingratitude" / "ingrate" are not relevant to your stance and are just emotive distractions; I suggest we avoid those terms. Israel has a bunch of contested borders with varying levels of international recognition. Britain displaced the ottomans, and it seems you feel they had a valid claim to the previously ottoman lands. Then jews dis…

I have said it before, time. No sane Brit is trying to expel Normans and their descendants back to France. Israeli criminal robbery of others land literally happened in literal living memory. The same way South African crimes are still an active issue. Ingratitude is the only possible term when a group begins launching terrorist attacks on a country freely opening up its own lands for immigration to it and then imposing some natural immigration controls.

Why is Israel trying to expand into Lebanon? What claims does it have there? Israel's statements are all bullshit, it never owned any of these lands and stole them from the Brits and now stealing from Palestinians, Lebanese and soon by their own admission Syrians and Turks too.

Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by hardbass » Thu, Aug 06, 2026, 5:14 PM UTC

gershy wrote: post #471

hardbass wrote: post #469

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Israel is immune as of yet due to parasitizing off western countries like Germany and USA. There is no reason to think they won't be much weakened if that support evaporates. It cannot be a "Western" steward if it violates the most fundamental principle of capitalism and western government viz property rights. Therefore again, my ideal and most just solution would be all land declared void and any people with valid i…

Also, would you be interested to continue this conversation by phone or video call? We've been at this for more than a month now and I admire your respectfulness and tenacity and perspective, and I think we could get to the core of our disagreement more quickly in realtime. If you were interested I'd post my email here and we could exchange contact details!

No I am fine with text and on here.

Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by gershy » Fri, Aug 07, 2026, 6:33 PM UTC

hardbass wrote: post #472

gershy wrote: post #470

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Israel is a nuclear power; it can't really be displaced. It sounds like the terms "ingratitude" / "ingrate" are not relevant to your stance and are just emotive distractions; I suggest we avoid those terms. Israel has a bunch of contested borders with varying levels of international recognition. Britain displaced the ottomans, and it seems you feel they had a valid claim to the previously ottoman lands. Then jews dis…

I have said it before, time. No sane Brit is trying to expel Normans and their descendants back to France. Israeli criminal robbery of others land literally happened in literal living memory. The same way South African crimes are still an active issue. Ingratitude is the only possible term when a group begins launching terrorist attacks on a country freely opening up its own lands for immigration to it and then impos…

- I assume you agree israel can't be physically displaced

- I assume you agree that as britain's displacement of the ottomans was valid, so too is the jewish terrorist/renegade displacement of britain

- I assume you agree britain was not acting altruistically, given its installation of a hitler ally as the jewish partner in diplomacy

From the jewish perspective, britain allowing jews access to their own homeland is not an act meriting a response of gratitude.

The remaining concern is regarding expulsion - I'd rather discuss this directly and not by analogy. Is there a particular large-scale instance of israel expelling some people which you feel is particularly unjustifiable?

Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says

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Post by gershy » Fri, Aug 07, 2026, 6:37 PM UTC

hardbass wrote: post #473

gershy wrote: post #471

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, would you be interested to continue this conversation by phone or video call? We've been at this for more than a month now and I admire your respectfulness and tenacity and perspective, and I think we could get to the core of our disagreement more quickly in realtime. If you were interested I'd post my email here and we could exchange contact details!

No I am fine with text and on here.

Positive? I come off very robotic in text but I'm friendly in person! Realtime is much more effective for this kind of stuff.