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Re: Chrome is looking to permanently drop MV2 extension

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The motivation for vertical tabs is pretty straightforward, screens are mostly wider than they are tall, browsers are often used in fullscreen mode, yet much of the web does not use much of the screen's width. So it's a better use of screen space to put tabs on the side than on top.

Of course, Firefox does support vertical tabs nowadays :) (Not tree-style though.)

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Re: Chrome is looking to permanently drop MV2 extension

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Just remember that Google is essentially an advertising company and that they were always going to squeeze this opening closed as soon as they could get away with it. I do fear for a future were even Firefox ends up caving in. Ladybird browser might be our only hope until something legal comes along to block functionality.

Firefox haven't caved in so far. Why do u think it might in future?

because Firefox is Google's controlled opposition and regulatory appeasement division

I am absolutely knocking Mozilla for taking Google money.

Re: Chrome is looking to permanently drop MV2 extension

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Look, we're having a good time on Firefox since November 9, 2004. Come join us!

or even since 2002 when it started as Phoenix https://website-archive.mozilla.org/www.mozilla.org/firefox_...

I used to have Phoenix in a zip disk to use it every time I will go to my college computer lab. Good times.

Re: Chrome is looking to permanently drop MV2 extension

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PM of Orion here. Orion ( https://orionbrowser.com ) is a WebKit-based browser for Mac, Linux, iPadOS and iOS that supports both Chrome and Firefox extensions natively ⟩ including uBlock Origin. We have no plans to drop extension support. Content blocking is a feature, not a loophole, and we think users should have full control over what runs in their browser.

I will consider Orion only when it is open source.

I only use open source browsers, but there are quite a few with adblocking. Firefox and a few Firefox forks, Brave and a few other Chromium based ones.

Re: Chrome is looking to permanently drop MV2 extension

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I'm a devoted Kagi user and really want to use Orion but keep running into perf issues and jank that frustrate me enough to switch back to something else. My most recent attempt was this past week. You all seem to maintain a very fast pace of development (the changelogs are always chock full of cool stuff) but the problems I am hitting have remained broken for ages. Some examples include: * The app hangs for 1~2 sec…

Thanks for the honest feedback, and I hear you. Some context that might explain (though not excuse) the situation: unlike browsers built on Chromium or Firefox/Gecko, Orion was built from scratch on top of WebKit. No fork, no upstream codebase to pull from. That means every feature, every integration, every compatibility shim is ours to build and maintain. Browsers that fork Chromium or Gecko inherit years of battle-…

Orion+ Lifetime buyer here. I strongly believe in Orion and I genuinely hope you reach that Snow Leopard moment. I also used it for months (and still use it for some always-open spreadsheets), but eventually had to switch to Safari due to the perf and stability issues. Funnily enough, you did prove Safari to be a viable daily driver for me, just not Orion itself yet.

Re: Chrome is looking to permanently drop MV2 extension

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The motivation for vertical tabs is pretty straightforward, screens are mostly wider than they are tall, browsers are often used in fullscreen mode, yet much of the web does not use much of the screen's width. So it's a better use of screen space to put tabs on the side than on top.

Of course, Firefox does support vertical tabs nowadays :) (Not tree-style though.)

What are you on about? :) Give Sidebery a try. The king of all tree-style tab browsers and the #1 reason I won't move away from Firefox.

Re: Chrome is looking to permanently drop MV2 extension

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While the nuance is important, money from Google is ad money: - Directing people to Google Search means Firefox users get exposed to ads - The money given to Firefox was made selling ads - Google is an ad company So yes, Google gives Firefox money for political reasons. Made from ads, so they can sell ads, including to Firefox users.

I'm with you on the first one and that's the closest reason why you could call Firefox payment "ad money". But the rest are not too strong. Google makes a lot of non-ad money too, even if it's a smaller portion than ads. You don't call airlines "banks" just because they make all of their money from currency-like "miles", and even fly at a loss [0]. What I want to say is that calling it "ad money" makes Firefox look b…

> You don't call airlines "banks" just because they make all of their money from currency-like "miles",

The article you link to does!

Re: Chrome is looking to permanently drop MV2 extension

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I've used Firefox across devices, across the years. This just isn't my experience, at all, remotely. And I have had to use Chrome (now it is Edge) for many work functions, so I do have the A/B comparisons. I'm not doubting your experience, fine, but I also know I'm not "pretending" anything in my own experience.

Firefox on Android 16, it sucks the battery up in background mode (even with permission to use background turned off). If I manually close it no issue.

Sorry, forgot to say pixel 7a, not sure why I got downvoted though?

I'm still going to use Firefox, I just hope the battery issue I experience goes away.

Re: Chrome is looking to permanently drop MV2 extension

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Freedom of DNS choice has nothing to do with DoH. And you can definitely mitm a non-configurable DoH resolver if you absolutely needed to do that, as long as you can add your own trusted CA on a device.

> Freedom of DNS choice has nothing to do with DoH The attack vector that DoH offers is that data exfiltration companies will start shipping their own DNS resolver in javascript to work around DNS-based filtering. They can't do this with regular DNS because the network traffic can still be observed and blocked independently, but how will you block a browser from accessing specific https URLs without MITM'ing all traf…

Are you suggesting that Chrome is going to allow individual websites to override the browser DNS settings? And also skip bootstrapping?

I'm very confused by this comment.

Re: Chrome is looking to permanently drop MV2 extension

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Of course, Firefox does support vertical tabs nowadays :) (Not tree-style though.)

What are you on about? :) Give Sidebery a try. The king of all tree-style tab browsers and the #1 reason I won't move away from Firefox.

Heh true, I did actually use Sidebery before switching to the built-in vertical tabs, which is what I was referring to - but yes, extensions can add tree-style tabs.
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