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The US is winning the AI race where it matters most: commercialization

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Re: The US is winning the AI race where it matters most: commercialization

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Post by lmm »

CMay wrote: post #313
watwut wrote: post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Europe seems both better capable of sustaining democracy, privacy and rule of law. USA is on verge of being irreversibly done for in all three areas. It can happen in Europe too, but the full fall is not that close.

Privacy is a concern everywhere, but the center of gravity of the issue moves further up or down the chain depending on the country. The structure of the US makes it basically the single most secure democracy anywhere right now or in history. No country in Europe or Europe as a whole is even competitive by comparison. The main issue we're facing is that we are by far the primary target for foreign funded activism and…

> The structure of the US makes it basically the single most secure democracy anywhere right now or in history. No country in Europe or Europe as a whole is even competitive by comparison.

How do you figure? I hear you have roving gangs of masked thugs beating up random citizens with the backing of your government, that doesn't sound very democratically secure, especially with what healthcare costs over there.

Re: The US is winning the AI race where it matters most: commercialization

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Post by cjbgkagh »

ngruhn wrote: post #449
cjbgkagh wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm explicitly distrusting them, they're saying they want to take Taiwan and I don't believe them. I try to ground my belief in realpolitik, cynicism, and from my experience with strategy games. There is an element of manipulating your opponent into acting the way you want them to by sending them costly false signals, they have to be costly or they won't be believed. I think we (the West) are being played and the gif…

> I try to ground my belief in realpolitik, cynicism, and from my experience with strategy games I'm trying to do that too but what the hell is going on with Putin? Why does he continue to engage in this ridiculously expensive war? I don't see any evil genius explanation anymore. It just seems like a mix of sunk-cost-fallacy and save-face. I think many geopolitical decisions are actually based in irrational emotions…

I think Putin was and remains a rational actor, I know a lot of how that war is understood in the west is colored by a very effective propaganda campaign that I don’t have the time nor energy to counter.

But I will say, in a very broad stroke, we’re heading for a great power conflict and the US has two primary factions on foreign policy; the primacists vs the restrainers, both want to take on China (contain with war) but the primicits want to topple Iran first and set up Israel as a regional hegemony where the restrainers want to build up locally first. China knows this and Russia is a junior partner / quasi vassal state to China. China lacks modern war fighting experience which the Russian Ukraine war has been very helpful in fixing. Yes it’s very expensive, but so is losing a great powers conflict.

Re: The US is winning the AI race where it matters most: commercialization

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Post by IHateAcronyms »

senordevnyc wrote: post #409
argomo wrote: post #397

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Not everybody thinks it's nonsensical. Here's a different take: If Anyone Builds It, Everyone Dies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If_Anyone_Builds_It,_Everyone_...

Yes, nonsensical people like EY don’t think it’s nonsensical.

EY = Eliezer Yudkowsky

Re: The US is winning the AI race where it matters most: commercialization

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Post by Baljhin »

puelocesar wrote: post #180
Igrom wrote: post #27

Flagged for AI content: I hope this submission dies and the user is penalized (look at their submission and comment history!), because IMO the article does not belong on the front page. Quick polemic: >The US is winning the AI race where it matters most: commercialization If you ask me, one could name different criteria for winning, and commercialization would not be the first thing to come to my mind: https://englis…

Can I block a user to avoid seeing his posts? I noticed front page would be much nicer without guys like OP

There's a userscript that'll hide users, 'sources' (domains), and titles. The GH repo was deleted, so use the GF link instead:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43282379

Re: The US is winning the AI race where it matters most: commercialization

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Post by teaearlgraycold »

chrisco255 wrote: post #443
tenacious_tuna wrote: post #381

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One of my coworkers points out to me every sports reference that pops up in our internal company communications (e.g. "WINNING", "Going to put together a winning team," etc). It seems like everything in the US is couched in competitive language.

Yeah, its no accident that the U.S. is the number one economy, it comes from that kind of thinking across the populace. Complacency gets you conquered.

We could do with a little less of it IMO. But I have heard plenty from European expats about the entrenched complacency over there. I'm told people looking to improve some system or product run right into a wall of "Why bother?".

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Post by ande-mnoc »

Igrom wrote: post #27

Flagged for AI content: I hope this submission dies and the user is penalized (look at their submission and comment history!), because IMO the article does not belong on the front page. Quick polemic: >The US is winning the AI race where it matters most: commercialization If you ask me, one could name different criteria for winning, and commercialization would not be the first thing to come to my mind: https://englis…

Fully AI generated according to Pangram.

Can we have a rule where LLM generated texts require a disclosure or be removed?

Edit: The entire blog seems AI generated. Huh.

Re: The US is winning the AI race where it matters most: commercialization

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Post by cjbgkagh »

lmm wrote: post #454
cjbgkagh wrote: post #234

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A grifting military industrial complex is unable to defend Taiwan even if it wanted to as evident by the exceedingly poor showing with Iran. The disastrous reality of doing what was done is already with us. If the US didn't take that bait it could have made better choices that would have left it in a stronger position militarily long term, if it made a real attempt at re-shoring civilian manufacturing it could cross…

> If the US didn't take that bait it could have made better choices that would have left it in a stronger position militarily long term Like what though? If the problem is that not going to actual war has enabled the MIC to be captured by grifters, then "taking the bait" and going to war should actually help improve that by showing up the grifters and giving us a chance to switch to making stuff that works.

> Pretending they’ll go to war over Taiwan and not doing it is an effective strategy for undermining the US.

The bait is for the buildup that promotes the grifters.

> An actual war would fix a lot of the grifting in the US as it would align interests

We are in agreement. I made these points earlier in this chain.

The Iran war doesn't count as the alignment of interest requires an actual threat of being defeated.

Re: The US is winning the AI race where it matters most: commercialization

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Post by Danox »

ngruhn wrote: post #449
cjbgkagh wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm explicitly distrusting them, they're saying they want to take Taiwan and I don't believe them. I try to ground my belief in realpolitik, cynicism, and from my experience with strategy games. There is an element of manipulating your opponent into acting the way you want them to by sending them costly false signals, they have to be costly or they won't be believed. I think we (the West) are being played and the gif…

> I try to ground my belief in realpolitik, cynicism, and from my experience with strategy games I'm trying to do that too but what the hell is going on with Putin? Why does he continue to engage in this ridiculously expensive war? I don't see any evil genius explanation anymore. It just seems like a mix of sunk-cost-fallacy and save-face. I think many geopolitical decisions are actually based in irrational emotions…

Germany, Japan, Russia, Great Britain, and the United States all within the last 125 years… The headshot was from within mainly self-inflicted.

Re: The US is winning the AI race where it matters most: commercialization

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Post by nwhnwh »

arthurofbabylon wrote: post #474

How does gobbledygook like this get traction on HN? What has happened on HN culturally to allow something like this to surface to the top?

A lot of nonsense get traction on HN (and everywhere else).

The revolt of the masses is real.

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