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New statue in London, attributed to Banksy, of a suited man, blinded by a flag

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Re: New statue in London, attributed to Banksy, of a suited man, blinded by a flag

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“Attributed to Banksy”? It has his signature and he posted about it on his instagram. What else is needed to confirm the creator?

There is a lot of tributes to Bansksy - signed "3anksy" - he don't have to and didn't use to.

Banksy has some specific and not random sense, this one.. shallowly could be considered IMHO ? (..and being installed Banksy style too). Convenient. "Attributed" could be second-order too (Memex). ?

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Yeah. The safety of the message is underwritten by its state sanction.

In what way is this statue state sanctioned?

It's on display in downtown London dude. Also who do you think paid for it?

Re: New statue in London, attributed to Banksy, of a suited man, blinded by a flag

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Banksy is the patron saint of the “I’m 13 and this is deep” mentality.

He's also king of the "I'll criticize the west but I'll turn a blind-eye to non-democratic countries' wrongdoings" . A trait shared with virtually all intellectuals and artists in the west. There are fights worth fighting: for example there are 300 million women alive who have undergone forced genital mutilation. 300 million ain't cheap change. There are also hundreds of millions of people who applauded the killing o…

> But these people can live with their own conscience: I speak up and I've got mine.

Not sure there's much conscience in Banksy making anti-national chauvinist memes whilst not identifying as any sort of nationalist, but there's even less in dismissing all criticisms of one's own society's treatment of, say, women because some other societies treat them worse.

For all that I don't think posturing graffiti artists are the saviours of humanity, it's difficult not to notice that the groups that actually are tackling FGM are practising Muslims and super-liberal NGOs (in that order) and that the people who raise it to deflect from criticisms of their own society are not represented at all in those efforts. Or are actively campaigning to get women's escape routes from those countries shut down.

Can't really lecture others on losing their sense of perspective about the magnitude of injustices either when a week ago you were expressing outrage at checks post history creatives depicting certain characters in LOTR as non-white!?!

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Exactly. Communists are blinded by the flag with the hammer and sickle. Teachers and doctors are blinded by trans ideology and its flag. Examples abound, but wanna transgressor blanksy knows who butters his bread.

> Teachers and doctors are blinded by trans ideology and its flag You're going to get a bunch of downvotes, but I'm also going to take the time to personally tell you how stupid this is as well.

I appreciate the extra time you invested to let me know.

So to return the favor, I’ll add a couple of sentences too.

A year ago I would never have made such a comment.

My understanding about the issues boiled down to approximately:

- queer theory is some sort of reasonably academic pursuit that has something to do with gay people

- trans is just gay rights 2.0; clearly anyone who has any concerns is a raging bigot

Neither was a core interest of mine, but they seemed reasonable enough. However, eventually, I started reading about the topic. (I’d recommend Trans by Helen Joyce) and now I feel differently.

I now think JK had it right all along – we all should (and do) have the basic human right to wear whatever we like, and to sleep with anyone who will have us. But what’s being demanded by activists and taught in schools goes far beyond that and involves real contradictions, real risks to children and zero sum trade-offs with hard fought sex specific rights for women.

These issues are things we could talk about so that we all come to a better understanding and make better decisions. But instead wide swathes of officialdom are “blinded by the flag” and have decided, as I once did, that anyone who has concerns is a raging bigot.

Re: New statue in London, attributed to Banksy, of a suited man, blinded by a flag

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I suppose it's true that the left-wing equivalent is the Palestinian flag, or the centrist equivalent is the Ukrainian flag, however this usually comes in the form of a sticker or the odd flag flown from a house window here and there, rather than a row of flags hung from every lamp post on a street. Quantity has quality all of its own. Although many different causes use flags for promotion, the obsession that certain…

Not in the UK, but I was surprised by the abundance of Palestinian flags in the Basque country, Spain, last year. There were definitely places where you had 7-8 of them in your view while walking random streets.

Not surprising to me as much, given their separatist sentiments under the yoke of the fascist Franco not too long ago at all.

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Strong disagree. First, like many of the other comments mention, Banksy is known for being clever and witty, but not particularly subtle. But more to the point, while you may think the meaning is a bit obvious, the fact that the flag is unadorned (which/whose flag is it?), and the man is unknown, makes me think this statue could be the ultimate Rorschach test. I'm sure there are tons of people thinking "Ha ha, this i…

The ambiguity - that this could apply to anyone, that people are so caught up in their belief of choice - is part of the obviousness, at least to me. I would expect more people to be aware of this, than to actually believe that it's talking about, say, Americans in particular.

if it was so obvious to most of us, we wouldn't be having this problem.

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(What you call an "objective fact" here is - as you say - your report of your personal experience. Everyone else would probably use a word more like "subjective".)

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cewnwgnqj2qo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Trans%2B_Pride I'm seeing a lot of flags.

Can’t help but notice the difference in sentiment between the flag that represents a people and a flag that represents a nation, especially historically.

Re: New statue in London, attributed to Banksy, of a suited man, blinded by a flag

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Exactly. Communists are blinded by the flag with the hammer and sickle. Teachers and doctors are blinded by trans ideology and its flag. Examples abound, but wanna transgressor blanksy knows who butters his bread.

> Teachers and doctors are blinded by trans ideology and its flag. Interesting fact: the creator of the trans flag, Robert Hogge (later known as Monica Helms), used to steal his mother's underwear, then moved on to stealing random women's underwear for sexual reasons, and wrote fantasy fiction about a man marrying a child who doesn't age.

Unsurprising!

For me, nothing has been more clarifying about the trans debate than learning about autogynophilia and realizing that most males who think they are trans are actually straight. Until recently, I had assumed they were mostly males attracted to other males, and I suspect most of the public still thinks that too.

Re: New statue in London, attributed to Banksy, of a suited man, blinded by a flag

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I tend to like Banksy a lot, even in things that are different than his "usual" style and type of work (graffiti), as in this case with a statue. More generally, I am wondering if anyone has a good explanation of what makes an artist "click" with the world, become famous, and usually raise the price of his/her artwork. I can bet that today it costs a lot to own anything by Banksy, considering that most of his work is…

What raised the price of Banksy initially was that he gave it a price; he was the only graffiti artist doing gallery exhibitions and selling art. Before he put it in a gallery, nobody considered it have any value.
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