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Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Windows 11 is what happens when no one speaks up at product team meetings. People nod their heads, get on with the build and the marketing team decides they want another 40 hooks into customer data for monetization. Windows 11 today is a spectacular example of customer disrespect and disregard. MS believes it can manage with enterprise customer revenue alone. Well, best of luck with that, even enterprises are getting…

Windows is what happens when there are too many cooks in the kitchen, without a single authority figure, ultimately responsible for maintaining the OS (and only the OS), guarding against and saying no to all attempts to leech the user base.

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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post #195

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> Edit: yes, I can use Linux but I have decades of Windows muscle memory and I do a bunch of DirectX programming. I shouldn't have to switch :) Understood. However, your choices are: 1. Keep complaining while paying $$$ for the privilege of complaining. 2. Switch to something else. My tolerance level is much lower than yours (I switched my daily driver around 1998), obviously...

paying $$$ There arrr the ways (depending on one's moral compass)

`irm https://get.activated.win | iex` lives in my head rent-free

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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>It’ll be running Ubuntu. I’m done. https://status.canonical.com/ You're in for a bad time. It's been three days and they still can't get updates to work. Get Debian if you must. Use something sane like Guix and OpenBSD if you can.

I've been watching Linux from a safe distance for 25+ years. The one thing that remains constant over the decades is that whenever someone says "You're having this problem? Well what did you expect, you're using X distro. Obviously you should use Y distro, then all your problems will be solved" and then another person comes along and says "No, you idiot, Y distro is completely broken, any sane person would use Z dist…

Haven't seen this specific "you're using wrong distro" so far. I'm more often bumping on a general rude attitude of people answering. As if asking questions, looking for solutions is not what all these distro forums were made for.

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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post #470

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> I can live with Windows 11 being a little slow Why accept mediocrity when Microsoft has shown to be capable of producing something better than their current iteration of Windows? Whether you prefer Windows 2000 or XP or 7 or one of the server versions over 10/11, all of those were in many ways 'better' than 11. > I can deal with File Explorer issues Again, why? It is not as if those issues are the result of Microso…

It is very simple. the factory work I do cannot run without Windows. The software required for my work is supported only on Windows. Of coures, Linux may give more control. But while people in the US may have a choice, in Korea, for this kind of industrial work, I usually do not.

Do you need to use Windows 11 though? If you're using Windows to drive industrial equipment I assume those machines are not connected to the internet? If so you should be fine running Windows 7 or - if need be - 10. There's plenty of medical devices running Windows 2000, some of them use even older versions. As long as they're kept away from the internet and from random USB sticks they remain useable without fear of compromise.

I'd not want anything like Windows 11 controlling industrial equipment as that OS does not need to be compromised to be untrustworthy.

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Good luck with that. I have a Windows computer I sometimes have to run stuff on overnight, like renders or what not. I've disabled everything I can related to Windows Update, plus setting "Active hours" or what not, so the computer doesn't reboot because of updates in the middle of the night. Today I woke up, went to check the progress and wouldn't you know, Windows Update updated the computer and rebooted, and what…

I've seen people resorting to disconnecting machines from the internet to prevent this. They load up the software they need, then it never goes online again, so updates can never bother them or otherwise get in the way. The software thus stays exactly as they want it to be. It's an appliance at that point. It's annoying to have to shuffle files over to it, if that's needed for its job, but I think it's still a worthw…

> I've seen people resorting to disconnecting machines from the internet to prevent this.

The Windows Update processes were really a stubborn bunch in W10 - not sure if anything have changed in W11. These probably were given the highest privileges that made them spawn periodically outside any scheduled tasks settings somehow. Some 3rd-party tools were able to neuter most of them but these were like zombies. Continuously rising up.

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Besides, infesting Windows with Spyware and AI what they did to the start menu was among the most atrocious changes they made.

I was always a taskbar top guy, because it simply makes more sense, this is not opinion this is fact. Browser tabs are on the TOP, your mouse hovers over the top of the screen WAY more, and It's stupid to have to spend miles in mouse travel time to the bottom of the screen. Window controls like close, minimize, fs are TOP. Most things are on the TOP. Whoever made the decision to remove that ability to move the taskbar while Linux basically offers EVERYTHING you can imagine and more is insane. I was using Explorer Patcher, but it was buggy for me, so I use Start 11 now, its works fine, but it should not need a 3rd party closed source software to basically just have what Windows always offered.

I use Windows only for gaming, everything else I do on Linux. I think It's too late to realize these things. M$ started by just buying software and building a monopoly they were never the good guys so I can not say the "lost it" but whatever this BS is they are doing now its worse. I also use AtlasOS to bring some sense into Windows, also something that should not be needed and be that way out of the box with few simple switches. It's just a bloated mess, at least its stable for the most part.

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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I recently got locked out of my machine because logging in with the mandatory Microsoft account-backed primary user of my machine didn't work anymore. It said I was offline and I had to use the "previous password" even though I didn't have a previous password for that account. Hacking around in the recovery console to add another administrator user worked, but then I couldn't reset the original user's password becaus…

M$ account is not strictly "mandatory" as you claim. There are ways to work around this. I NEVER in my life had an M$ account, I have a GitHub Account, but that is still separate AFAIK. Rufus can mod the ISO for it, and there is another way around it during install. They just want you to use one so they can spy in you better. It's on you to have an OS account to an online service in the first place. Then entire concept is utterly retarded, I do not care who it is M$ or some of the best champions of Open Source and ethical Linux distro, I will not use any fucking account of them to log into my LOCAL PRIVATE OS, it makes ZERO sense and its pathetic how that managed to lure so many morons onto doing this.

I remember first seeing this during a Win install and instantly looked for a way around it, I think they even have removed a workaround to make it even harder for people to work around this BS.

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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If this is what the Windows considers 'quality updates' after 2 months, then Windows is in really rough shape.

Rebranding Copilot in Notepad is the kind of thing I expect from a modern day Microsoft, where they can't possibly understand what people mean when they say the word 'no thank you'. The actual change here should be a global toggle somewhere to just turn it off, forever, with no arguments from the OS. But of course we can't have that because engagement for a product no one wants might fall off.

I so, so badly wish this team would pull their head out of their ass, but if this is what their idea of improvement is, then I guess I might be done with Windows when I can't use W10 any more.

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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post #31

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> obvious alternatives First of all, in many countries outside of EU/US it's just not possible to buy laptop without preinstalled Windows 11 (except Apple). For example, even if a model supports Linux in the US as many Lenovo Thinkpads do, in Singapore it's just not sold without Windows. Second, Microsoft has broken sleep with pushing S0 sleep in UEFI. Bettery life is shit now, and hibernate is disabled by default in…

I don't really understand the rationale behind disabling S3 sleep... Was it simply that getting every device and driver to properly support it was hard, so the easiest option was to remove it and have the machine always powered up?

Probably to improve some manager's KPI (updates) and also to make using laptops under other OS hard (ok, there's almost no other OS than Linux).
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