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Re: Grok 4.3

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Post by Barbing »

aesthesia wrote: post #402
tecoholic wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seriously though, why is it a model "card", safety "card"? I had to lookup to learn that it comes from HuggingFace's vague definition of "README" in the model's repo. This is such a specific thing that I don't think anyone except a very small population would know - not the users, not the c-suites. I don't like Musk or Grok. But not knowing what's a safety card is not a signal of anything IMO.

The "model card" concept actually comes from a pre-LLM Google paper ( https://arxiv.org/abs/1810.03993 ), where the example cards did fit on a single page. The concept quickly became a standard component of AI governance frameworks, and Hugging Face adopted it as a reasonable standard format for a model README. As LLMs emerged and became more capable at broader ranges of tasks, model cards expanded to the sizes we se…

That makes sense. I recall a “battle card“ (“concise, easy-to-scan document that helps [sales] reps handle competitive conversations, respond to objections, and highlight key differentiators” per HubSpot) as about a half sheet document, which is congruent.

Re: Grok 4.3

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Post by guluarte »

thallavajhula wrote: post #442

Do people really use Grok for anything outside of Twitter memes or understanding tweets? I'm asking out of genuine curiosity.

I wonder how much of that comes from twitter training data. It is useful for memes and trends, but for other things is super bad.

Re: Grok 4.3

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Post by ryandrake »

renegade-otter wrote: post #156
kilroy123 wrote: post #110

People are going to hate on Grok because of Musk. However, I do hope they're successful in making a powerful model. We desperately need more competition. I want cheap subsidized AI plans. I hope Meta finally comes around, too. I want those sweet, sweet billionaire subsidized tokens.

Pardon me for feeling icky when giving money to the guy who is obsessed with "white replacement". I am old and cynical - I have no illusions, but I also have my limits and a semblance of moral compass. We, as citizens, can vote with ballots, but also with money. And, no, I am not someone who keeps boycotting companies for every little grievance (was on the receiving end of that nonsense twice).

Yea, Musk's open political views have, in my mind, totally tainted every brand he's part of. Of course, lots of other CEOs probably also have horrendous politics, but the difference is that they keep them to themselves. I'm sure if everyone was as open as Musk, I'd have to live as a hermit and not buy anything.

Re: Grok 4.3

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Post by pdimitar »

gusmally wrote: post #466
pdimitar wrote: post #306

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've seen this expressed as a concern even from one of my colleagues. My retort was: "English is not my native language and LLMs taught me quite a few very useful formalisms that do land well for people and they change their attitude towards you to be more respectful afterwards. It also showed me how to frame and reframe certain arguments. I agree sounding like an LLM is kind of sad but I am getting a lot of educatio…

Since you seem interested in the ins and outs of English, I want to say that "retort" has a connotation of anger or sharpness. Your response reads more like a "rebuttal" to me. This is not a correction; maybe retort is what you meant and I'm not trying to be the English police. I just like discussing the intricacies of language :)

Actually super helpful, thank you!

Re: Grok 4.3

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Post by Petersipoi »

base698 wrote: post #308
artdigital wrote: post #17

Grok is my favorite model for chatting, and my favorite voice mode. It seems to be the only voice mode that isn't routing to a extremely cheap model (like Haiku), and has been the highest quality out of all the frontier ones. When you subscribe to SuperGrok you can also create a "council" of agents, each with their own system prompt and when you ask something, they will all get asked in parallel to come to a conclusi…

Starting to like the lack of memory. Claude remembers I have a grill and will interject in conversations about how maybe this thing would go well with BBQ when it's unrelated or just also about food.

This is so obnoxious. I ended up deleting all the memory from Gemini because it ended every response with, "As an engineer, father of X, you'll love this because...". As if I want my occupation and the number of children I have to be relevant to which lawn mower I buy.

Re: Grok 4.3

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Post by FeloniousHam »

satvikpendem wrote: post #390
FeloniousHam wrote: post #367

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I only use Grok through the "Gork" personality in the Tesla, but find its responses to be very realistic, often genuinely funny, and occasionally useful.

Do you use its unhinged mode? It can be hilarious but tiresome after a little while.

We tried it, it was fun. Conspiracy mode just sounds like talking to my kids.

Re: Grok 4.3

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Post by andai »

michaelbuckbee wrote: post #396
jasonjmcghee wrote: post #317

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's Grok 4.2 not 4.3 right? And why are you comparing to gpt-4.1? (As opposed to one of the 6? model releases since then - would have expected gpt 5.5)

Good catch, there was an issue with the second hardest thing in programming (caching). Here's an updated eval with the proper models https://a3bmfqfom3.evvl.io/

Is it me or did GPT get noticeably more natural in word choice recently? You can see it between 4.1 and 5.5 here, but I'm not sure when that happened. (My guess would be one of the recent 5.x releases.)

Edit: I meant specifically the absence of bizarre phrasing. That seems to have improved.

Re: Grok 4.3

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Post by vl »

thallavajhula wrote: post #442

Do people really use Grok for anything outside of Twitter memes or understanding tweets? I'm asking out of genuine curiosity.

Grok has the most useful voice mode (ChatGPT voice mode is very dumb, grok seems to use same model as main chat), so if I want to use voice this is the AI I use.

Also I use it for all uncomplicated topics because it gives precise short answers without fluff. Very refreshing.

Re: Grok 4.3

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Post by nojonestownpls »

renegade-otter wrote: post #156
kilroy123 wrote: post #110

People are going to hate on Grok because of Musk. However, I do hope they're successful in making a powerful model. We desperately need more competition. I want cheap subsidized AI plans. I hope Meta finally comes around, too. I want those sweet, sweet billionaire subsidized tokens.

Pardon me for feeling icky when giving money to the guy who is obsessed with "white replacement". I am old and cynical - I have no illusions, but I also have my limits and a semblance of moral compass. We, as citizens, can vote with ballots, but also with money. And, no, I am not someone who keeps boycotting companies for every little grievance (was on the receiving end of that nonsense twice).

Do you not use any major provider's AI at all? Because the other big options are from companies actively aiding a genocide (Google), or companies clamouring to be the tools used in future war crimes (OpenAI and Anthropic - the latter only attempted to put weak muzzles on it, they're still heavily involved).

Every one of them is involved in actively involved in destroying non-white people's lives and livelihoods, people just seem to not pay attention unless they're really loud about it like Elon is.

Re: Grok 4.3

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Post by burnte »

base698 wrote: post #308
artdigital wrote: post #17

Grok is my favorite model for chatting, and my favorite voice mode. It seems to be the only voice mode that isn't routing to a extremely cheap model (like Haiku), and has been the highest quality out of all the frontier ones. When you subscribe to SuperGrok you can also create a "council" of agents, each with their own system prompt and when you ask something, they will all get asked in parallel to come to a conclusi…

Starting to like the lack of memory. Claude remembers I have a grill and will interject in conversations about how maybe this thing would go well with BBQ when it's unrelated or just also about food.

I have that disabled. I tend to use different chats as the LLM equivalent of private browsing, so I like it to not have memory transferred between them.
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