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Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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> I'll share more details about where the Ghostty project will be moving to in the coming months

So in response to GitHub Issues, PRs, etc. being occasionally inaccessible each day, you're going to make them inaccessible for months?

Feels like a knee-jerk emotional decision, one that doesn't serve you, Ghostty, or the community.

At least have your backup ready to go

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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Hi there! Longtime fan and hubber here. It's okay to have emotions. I have similar emotions. I'm GitHub User 22723 which is effectively the same as you (considering there's ~180m GH accounts nowadays) My version of your post reads differently: "GitHub only gets better if people who give a shit stick around to make it better" Walking away would be easy. I felt that way when I left Heroku ~six years ago. I left that jo…

If anyone reading this is curious of their own, you can go to https://api.github.com/users/YOUR_USERNAME_HERE and fetch it. My ID is just over 10,000. Crazy to think of the journey that I've had in computing since I signed up for GitHub.

10126 here. I wouldn't have guessed it was that low.

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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post #96

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Hi there! Longtime fan and hubber here. It's okay to have emotions. I have similar emotions. I'm GitHub User 22723 which is effectively the same as you (considering there's ~180m GH accounts nowadays) My version of your post reads differently: "GitHub only gets better if people who give a shit stick around to make it better" Walking away would be easy. I felt that way when I left Heroku ~six years ago. I left that jo…

> "GitHub only gets better if people who give a shit stick around to make it better" At a basic level I appreciate this sentiment. However, the common dysfunction I see in large corporation is its not the lack of people who give a shit. Its lacking a sufficient number of people in positions of power that give a shit -- such that they can actually make change happen. All too often competing pressures (features, profit…

The issue is that modern software businesses aren't encouraged, in the slightest, to care about polishing products.

The company leaders only care about features shipped. That's it. They only polish those features if they are shipped in such a broken fashion that they are actively causing outrage. Once the features are shipped, it's done, any additional resources on an already shipped feature is seen as wasted.

This permeates all aspects of modern corporate software, unfortunately. It's why the likes of C# and .Net is forever adding new frameworks and language features while abandoning the existing frameworks. It's why Microsoft has had more new UX frameworks than OS releases. It's why for the same setting Microsoft now has multiple panels for the same information, literally a panel introduce in windows 98, Vista, 10, 11.

The only time a company like MS kills a product is when that product competes in the same space as an existing product. For example, it's why they killed wordpad. It was offering features too close to what Word did for free.

The fact is, it costs almost nothing to add a feature. It costs a ton of money and resources to properly integrate, use, polish, and remove places that feature fits into. I can't imagine the amount of money MS paid to integrate copilot into everything.

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hi there! Longtime fan and hubber here. It's okay to have emotions. I have similar emotions. I'm GitHub User 22723 which is effectively the same as you (considering there's ~180m GH accounts nowadays) My version of your post reads differently: "GitHub only gets better if people who give a shit stick around to make it better" Walking away would be easy. I felt that way when I left Heroku ~six years ago. I left that jo…

> "GitHub only gets better if people who give a shit stick around to make it better" At a basic level I appreciate this sentiment. However, the common dysfunction I see in large corporation is its not the lack of people who give a shit. Its lacking a sufficient number of people in positions of power that give a shit -- such that they can actually make change happen. All too often competing pressures (features, profit…

I think it's true that lacking sufficient numbers in power is essential for change, but I also think there is a lack of people who give a shit. I've had many 1-on-1 conversations, some lunch casual and some more directly syncing on a project, wherein we'd come to straightforward conclusions on next steps. And then we'd have full team meetings to make official decisions and I'd find myself alone asking questions about a leader's out of the blue contradicting proposals. I'm not sure how one functions in this (I guess typical?) environment.

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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Azure migration is the most plausible explanation I've heard. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45517173

GitHub claims that AI development tools have caused a massive surge in demand in recent months. They need to scale by 30X to keep up with demand. According to GitHub, Azure migration is the attempt at a fix/upscaling, not the underlying cause of the issues. Addressing GitHub’s recent availability issues: https://github.blog/news-insights/company-news/addressing-gi... An update on GitHub availability: https://github.b…

> GitHub claims that AI development tools have caused a massive surge in demand in recent months. They need to scale by 30X to keep up with demand

They said they're designing for a future that would require 30X of today's scale.

They did not say that they need to scale 30X to meet today's demand.

To be fair, the "demand is up 30X" claim was spammed all over social media so it's easy to see why this topic is so misunderstood

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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i would be very interesting seeing how the dev space will look in 5 years from now, and how would github look in 5 years from now

>i have stopped opening github, i just use github cli heavily, that's it, gh gives everything i need out of the box

on github actions run on github and agent pull them, checks the issues and fixes the code, the whole workflow changed

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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So far everything is going according to the plan. Humans are really close to make the AI that will replace them and enter into the next phase of the plan. Or do you have a better idea of what the plan exactly is?

You mean the AI that might fail and suck every last ounce of entropy or life out the planet and sufficate it? Have you seen the insane amount of natural gas being burned to power it? Obviously I'd love if AI solved its own energy crisis but that hasn't even begun to happen yet. You think it will invent cold fusion? Room temp super conductors? Solar cells past our theoretical limits? Do you realize it's literally bein…

It isn't just greed controlling it too, so I'm also optimistic. I'd just also like seeing the light powering it at the beginning of the tunnel.

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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post #471

> I'll share more details about where the Ghostty project will be moving to in the coming months So in response to GitHub Issues, PRs, etc. being occasionally inaccessible each day, you're going to make them inaccessible for months? Feels like a knee-jerk emotional decision, one that doesn't serve you, Ghostty, or the community. At least have your backup ready to go

I can’t think of anywhere that does those things better as an all in one package

I’ve done it with bitbucket, how has their uptime been?

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