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Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Yes, unfortunately you can't vote for them without benefiting a major party you oppose.

That's a toxic way of thinking. No party is entitled to your vote, and not voting for one is certainly not an endorsement of another.

While this is true, very often that is the impact of a third party vote in a federal election. See the election of one George W. Bush and the impact of Mr. Nader.

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Not simply because it had defense contractors… You made an editorial choice to leave out the part about selling weapons to Israel to use against Gaza. Once can agree or disagree with the action to disrupt the career. Either way, I find your omission a bit glaring.

It was omitted because it is irrelevant. It doesn't matter which ally the US sells weapons to. If the Gazans attacked Luxembourg, Luxembourgers have the right to defend themselves (and win) too.

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Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Not simply because it had defense contractors… You made an editorial choice to leave out the part about selling weapons to Israel to use against Gaza. Once can agree or disagree with the action to disrupt the career. Either way, I find your omission a bit glaring.

It was omitted because it is irrelevant. It doesn't matter which ally the US sells weapons to. If the Gazans attacked Luxembourg, Luxembourgers have the right to defend themselves (and win) too.

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Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not simply because it had defense contractors… You made an editorial choice to leave out the part about selling weapons to Israel to use against Gaza. Once can agree or disagree with the action to disrupt the career. Either way, I find your omission a bit glaring.

It was omitted because it is irrelevant. It doesn't matter which ally the US sells weapons to. If the Gazans attacked Luxembourg, Luxembourgers have the right to defend themselves (and win) too.

I apologize for bringing up irrelevant information.

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Is there a specific reason for suspicion?

The fact that we're only hearing one side is suspicious enough

That’s rather generic…

Do you apply that principle universally in your life?

C’mon, be honest about why you doubt the story.

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Yes, US companies need to comply with US laws, but there wasn't any legal demand here to hand over the data.

There was an administrative subpoena, which was not signed off by a judge, but does carry significant legal weight. The Electronic Communications Privacy Act (ECPA) and Stored Communications Act (SCA) requires service providers to disclose certain types of data (IP addresses, physical address, other identifiers, and session times and durations) in response to an administrative subpoena. The actual content of communic…

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2026/02/open-letter-tech-compa... disagrees that there was any legal weight here, but honestly I'm no expert and am curious if that's wrong. (I saw that link a while back, couldn't find it til now but should've just dug it up originally)

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Good, there was nothing that needed confronting. Iran's regime sucked (still sucks), to be sure. This was frankly not all that much of an issue for the US. It was a big issue for other Arab nations in the area (not to mention for Israel), but I'm not sure why we should be doing their dirty work. If the end result of all this is a large weakening in Iran's regime, a reduction in Iran's influence in the region, and (ot…

"Iran's regime sucked" because they kicked out our western puppet? or is it because Iran is a a democracy, unlike "other Arab nations" (by the way iranian are as much arabs than you) or Israel ? (Note that I'm not fan of Iran culture, but I'm not fan of ingroup cultures either).

> because Iran is a a democracy, unlike "other Arab nations"

Iran isn't a democracy, it's an authoritarian theocracy that spreads terrorism throughout the Middle East, and that brutally oppresses it's own people[0]. The only objective of the regime is to stay in power, regardless of the costs imposed to Iran and other countries, and the only language they understand is violence.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Iran_massacres

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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> I feel like every voter was aware of what happened on Jan 6th and still voted for him with some level of knowledge about that. What a particular voter was “aware of” regarding Jan 6th and the events that caused it very much depended on where that person got their news. For example, one prominent network was found in court depositions to have knowingly reported complete BS about what Jan 6 was all about: “During pre…

That his vice president confirmed the result still should tell these people everything they needed to know. That at the very least the story peddled by sources like Fox was dubious and they should seek to corroborate that source with others. NPR is a reasonable source that all Americans know about, so I don't think its a reasonable excuse.

Do you believe that there is a large share of people who get their news from Fox News and also trust NPR? And vice versa?

More than ever before, people now live in news silos where they get only the news that engages their prior beliefs. And people who are in the Fox News silo have been told, repeatedly, that NPR is fake news from “far-left lunatic” Democrats. Do you remember all the air time Fox News gave to people arguing for the defunding of NPR? How much do you think a Fox News viewer is likely to trust NPR?

Think about it. If you are like the vast majority of people, almost everything you know about what is happening in the world, especially about the highest levels of government, is something you have been told from a source you trust. You are not a part of government policy decisions. You do not speak to people who are primary sources in those decisions. You know only what has been reported to you by third parties. Now imagine that you are getting those reports only from third parties that tell you something that is not true. How would you know that you are being misled?

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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The First Amendment applies to everyone on US soil, not just citizens. That’s settled law. The government can revoke visas for legitimate immigration violations, but it’s not allowed to use immigration machinery as a pretext to punish political expression. That’s exactly what they are doing. It looks like the courts will eventually put an end to this [0] but it won’t reverse the damage that’s already been done.

I’m generally receptive to point the finger at Google’s intentions but in their defense, administrative subpoenas frequently include non disclosure orders. Google’s own transparency policies have always carved out (industry standard) exceptions for cases where they’re legally prohibited from notifying.

[0] https://evrimagaci.org/gpt/judge-rebukes-trump-over-student-...

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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It still is risky, as who knows what tools NSA & cie really have. Even if it feels safe now, it can be stored by them, and what will (quantum?) computers be able to do in a decade? And how will the US gov look like at that time?

Forget that. If they are really so motivated, they can get a warrant to raid your home and confiscate your hard drives. It's not an apples to apples comparison because an administrative warrant served to Google is much different from raiding your home but if they wanted to they could. At this point, acting as if America (and many parts of the world for that matter) aren't living under an authoritarian government is f…

> If they are really so motivated, they can get a warrant to raid your home and confiscate your hard drives.

This is where encryption comes in.

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