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Molotov cocktail is hurled at home of Sam Altman

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Post by Longlius »

mmooss wrote: post #228
hnthrowaway0315 wrote: post #180

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I'm not saying that violence is legal -- which is definitely not. But it is part of the "packages" and totally depends on whether the one wants to use. Historically violence has been a very...effective tool. When people feel that law and order do not protect them, some eventually will go "the extra mile" (somehow managers always like this phrase). It's not something we can prevent. It is human nature. I guess super r…

> it is part of the "packages" and totally depends on whether the one wants to use. Could you explain what packages are and what depends on (what?)? > Historically violence has been a very...effective tool. This is dramatic sci-fi for anarchists of all political stripes. The critical reality to understand is that violence is the most ineffective tool, causing catastrophic harm for others and outcomes that the perpetr…

The American revolution literally engaged in systemic attacks against British property.

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swat535 wrote: post #398
tptacek wrote: post #238

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These are message boards. The obvious sentiment, that firebombing attacks are awful (perhaps cut a little bit with "the perpetrator appears to be someone deeply in need of help) is boring. This is an availability bias issue: the only sentiments that actually spool out into threads are edgy. Once you learn to spot these effects, message boards make a lot more sense and are less jarring.

Another good thread to follow is the murdering of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42317604 It's an interesting exercise to compare these threads. My own position on the matter is the not an edgy one: political violence of any kind, is never justified, but it does signal that something deep in society requires a change.

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Post by NordStreamYacht »

strongpigeon wrote: post #36

It is a bit scary how people seem to genuinely be OK with violence (see this reddit thread [0]). Is just me or does it feel like the overall "temperature" has gone up. [0] https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/1shugf8/firebomb_t...

https://x.com/nxt888/status/2042498481743675804

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Post by hananova »

closeparen wrote: post #223
nothinkjustai wrote: post #66

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I don’t think it’s surprising - some people already consider the actions of AI execs and tech companies to be synonymous to violence. Like, comparing something like this to destroying the livelihoods of millions of people, a lot of people would consider the latter far worse. Temperature is certainly going up, but it definitely hasn’t reached historic levels yet lol.

I do not think that marketing products and services that do useful work is “violence.”

What you think does not matter. You need to actually convince the downtrodden, otherwise these attacks will keep happening, and they will get worse.

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Post by aegis4244 »

jyounker wrote: post #299
mmooss wrote: post #228

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> it is part of the "packages" and totally depends on whether the one wants to use. Could you explain what packages are and what depends on (what?)? > Historically violence has been a very...effective tool. This is dramatic sci-fi for anarchists of all political stripes. The critical reality to understand is that violence is the most ineffective tool, causing catastrophic harm for others and outcomes that the perpetr…

A lot of people in the US feel like they've already tried the nice way, and it's failed. Given the increasing wealth disparity between the haves and the have-nots, it's hard to argue otherwise.

Many, close to most of the "have-nots" just voted to help the "haves" at great cost to themselves. The economic decline across fly over states isn't going to stop. It's going to continue. Resulting in those angry uneducated voters to double down. Those old factory jobs are gone. Unlikely to come back in our or our children's lifetime. They are ideologically opposed to education. Leading to more of the same, just more so. Economically, politically, and educatively.

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Post by tokioyoyo »

daveguy wrote: post #200
defen wrote: post #125

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let's take a second to think about the threat vectors here. The two obvious ones I can think of are: "AI hallucinates and tells you to put non-food into the food" and "AI hallucinates and gives you unsafe prep instructions" (e.g. "heat the chicken to an internal temperature of 110 degrees"). For both of those, it's not clear why "random recipe from an internet blog" is safer than something the AI generates. At some l…

Yeah, but I would trust a human writing a blog not to suggest heating chicken to 110F because the human writing the blog understands that they are taking responsibility for that recipe... The AI LLM model doesn't have a clue about responsibility except to regurgitate feel-good snippets about responsibility.

Wild takes in this thread. Copy and blog writing industry is just random fiverrs or hires from countries with cheap labour to pump up the SEO rankings.

Everyone grew up with an understanding to “never trust the random internet content for 100%”, now we’re trying to say that AI has to be 100% reliable.

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Post by _aavaa_ »

digdugdirk wrote: post #460
_aavaa_ wrote: post #416

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Non-technical indeed. The wasting water or pollution argument is getting really tiring.

I would be careful about this one. While the overall impact (in the global/national aggregate sense) may not be massive, the impact to individual communities nearby these new hyperscale datacenters is far more impactful than most people on this site might think. Look at the grok datacenter in Memphis for one example. The "move fast and break things" mentality in this arena isn't about code anymore, it's being applied…

Let’s say we grant the grok example.

A) How many other datacenters with similar problems can you name?

B) How does this industry compare to every other one on earth, and then look at the disproportionate hate this gets compared to other industries that are substantially worse.

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Post by anematode »

GlibMonkeyDeath wrote: post #160

Wonder if it has anything to do with the New Yorker article... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47659135 https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2026/04/13/sam-altman-may...

Unlikely – no one is starting off undecided, then reading one article in The New Yorker and then committing this. And it's a slippery slope to tie it to legitimate criticism.

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Post by smallmancontrov »

strongpigeon wrote: post #440
testing22321 wrote: post #181

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The top comment there mentions the French Revolution. You think people will put up with wildly accelerating inequality forever? It’s going to explode, the only question is when.

> You think people will put up with wildly accelerating inequality forever? No. Nor do I think they should. But UBI, higher income tax at the top and a wealth tax for the ultra rich sound like a much better plan to me than to blow a bunch of things up.

Yes, and it's not too late! Plus, sama is one of the only ultra rich I've heard talk about policies that could actually help society cope with reduced aggregate labor demand.

But when I look at how the US handled previous rounds of globalization and automation, I have very sober expectations for our ability to pursue the "happy path." Still, one has to try.

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