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Why Switzerland has 25 Gbit internet and America doesn't

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Re: Why Switzerland has 25 Gbit internet and America doesn't

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Post by ExpertAdvisor01 »

Anamon wrote: post #404
ExpertAdvisor01 wrote: post #117

Very misleading article. There is only one provider init7 and coverage is definitely not good in rural areas. Here is an map : https://ftth.init7.net/

Only one provider? What gave you that idea? Even TFA mentions four providers, and those are just the most popular, nation-wide ones. I live in Zürich and have a choice between 10 providers (going by the list of the local infrastructure provider[1] -- I don't know if that list is even complete). Rural coverage is challenging, true. And Switzerland has some challenging terrain in places. But FTTH coverage is currently…

I meant the only provider providing 25 gigs .

Re: Why Switzerland has 25 Gbit internet and America doesn't

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Post by itopaloglu83 »

firesteelrain wrote: post #458

I have 500 Mbps internet (fiber optic) with 40+ devices on it. I don’t see myself needing even 1 Gbps nor even close to 25 Gbps. At my enterprise, we have 900 simultaneous users to include thousands of CICD jobs, and we don’t even come close to 25 Gbps.

Bill Gates: “640K ought to be enough for anybody.”

Re: Why Switzerland has 25 Gbit internet and America doesn't

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Post by alex_suzuki »

nextstep wrote: post #341
alex_suzuki wrote: post #257

Swiss here. Just a minor clarification on the article: fibre is not available everywhere in Switzerland. Actually the rollout has been quite slow, and chances are that if you live in a rural or suburban area (like me) or in an older building then you might not have fibre, and are limited to (fairly decent) copper.

Can confirm this guy is Swiss Has arguably the best infrastructure and system in the world and will still find issue with it. A real Swiss hardly knows the horror show that is the rest of the non-Switzerland world. yeah, fiber rollout is slow outside of the cities. It’s still better than 95% of the developed world. All perspective.

We also have great chocolate.

Re: Why Switzerland has 25 Gbit internet and America doesn't

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Post by firesteelrain »

beAbU wrote: post #460
firesteelrain wrote: post #458

I have 500 Mbps internet (fiber optic) with 40+ devices on it. I don’t see myself needing even 1 Gbps nor even close to 25 Gbps. At my enterprise, we have 900 simultaneous users to include thousands of CICD jobs, and we don’t even come close to 25 Gbps.

People were saying the same thing about 10Mbps 15 years ago. Things change, and 25Gbps is massive future proofing for the next 50 years probably.

My point is I don’t even come close to the bandwidth limits. My latency is excellent. I had coax based internet and it was going down a lot. I switched to fiber about 5-6 years ago. Never went down once

Re: Why Switzerland has 25 Gbit internet and America doesn't

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Post by cogman10 »

kortilla wrote: post #262
cogman10 wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The only place monopolies tend to emerge is heavily regulated areas that allow for regulatory capture (laying fiber is a great example of this). No, actually laying fiber is a great example of the problem with a free market. It's not regulations that make it hard to put down fiber, it's property rights. Without some sort of regulation or government action (such as eminent domain) it's impossible to build out modern…

Property rights are regulation. You’re just vehemently agreeing with me. Markets filled with laws that make entry difficult are subject to monopolies.

Ok, let's imagine property rights are gone. Now it's impossible to build a fiber line without also employing an armed guard of that line. Sure, the open market allows for anyone to build out their lines where ever they like, but since we've eliminated all property rights and laws it means the most natural thing to do to your competition is sabotage.

That means if you are a new comer, you have to employ significant military strength to guard and defend your line going in. Otherwise, existing powers will simply stomp it out as soon as they get a whiff that someone is trying to compete with them. That, or they'll simply take your line by force.

That is probably the most difficult form of entry because it requires someone to be independently very wealthy before they could dream of putting in new infrastructure and it requires them to enforce their own property rights since there's no government doing that.

Are you an anarco-communist by chance? That's about the only group I'm aware of that would advocate for the complete elimination of property rights, but they also usually don't advocate for a "free market".

Re: Why Switzerland has 25 Gbit internet and America doesn't

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Post by jeltz »

skeeter2020 wrote: post #77
dmix wrote: post #32

In Canada our internet became much faster for cheaper with better customer support when the government allowed competition from smaller players. Telecom also got better when they allowed a foreign competitor to compete against the government mandated oligopoly. But the market is still heavily regulated in a way that benefits the existing monopolies.

I think Canada is a great example of how not to do it, despite some price decreases in recent years. We seem to have (near) the worst of all worlds: huge geography, little competition, and government regulation that props up the oligopoly without driving prices down like Europe. Mobile data is even worse.

Canada is very urbanized so your huge geography does not matter much. It is much harder to get fast internet in a rural and mountainous country like Norway and they have succeeded way better than Canada. I think the Canadian telecom oligopoly is almost entirely to blame.

Re: Why Switzerland has 25 Gbit internet and America doesn't

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Post by cesarb »

> Every home gets a dedicated 4-strand fiber line. Point-to-Point. Not shared. Not split 32 ways. [...] That dedicated fiber terminates in a neutral, open hub.

If you think about it, other than the "neutral, open" part, it's a return to the traditional phone model, where every home gets a dedicated point-to-point copper pair (or sometimes two pairs), which terminates in a hub (the telco central building) nearby, instead of being shared between several homes (though I've heard that, in the distant past, phone lines were also sometimes shared between households).

Re: Why Switzerland has 25 Gbit internet and America doesn't

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Post by cbg0 »

jmalicki wrote: post #446
cbg0 wrote: post #330

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is 1G insufficient for running a NAS over the internet?

1Gbps is even slower than a SATA SSD that can saturate a 6Gbps SATA link. 10Gbps gets you speeds only a few times slower than a PCIe 3.0 NVMe SSD. Except you can run that over the Internet!

I'm aware of how fast an SSD is, but you're probably only accessing your home NAS from your phone or laptop which most likely won't have more than 1gbps, if that. If you're a power user you probably already have high speed networking inside your own home to max out a 10G link.

Re: Why Switzerland has 25 Gbit internet and America doesn't

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Post by cindyllm »

Ray20 wrote: post #428
Moldoteck wrote: post #296

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It's so homogeneous that there are 4 national languages, one of which is german with tons of loval dialects. It's so homogeneous that each canton has own sub regulations. It's so homogeneous that in it's biggest city, Zurich, 34% of people are foreigners and 45% born outside of Switzerland. But we can look at the opposite part of spectrum - Moldova, poorest country in Europe - 85% of infra is covered by fibre, >90% o…

> It's so homogeneous that there are 4 national languages Perhaps he's talking about a different kind of homogeneity (one that conventionally falls under the "racism" category) > Moldova, poorest country in Europe - 85% of infra is covered by fibre Do not arm him with arguments

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