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German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad
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Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad
#472Earlier quoted context omitted.
honestly i am happy for the russian and ukranian young men and women i meet here in NL each day. Glad for them they can dodge the draft. most simply drove out, some had more hastle than others. war is shit on all sides and thinking one or the other suffers less because you dont like their colours is very short sighted.... i think we had enough time by now to realise it. and dont call it cowardice if someone doesnt wa…
It's objectively worse on the Ukrainian side. Imagine you haven't been able to leave your house in 4 years for fear you'll be grabbed by a draft officer. Russians do not know this fear. To boot, many Russian men have been paid handsomely for their participation in the SMO and get to live nice lives abroad.
Did you just forget about the mobilization drive Russia had in 2022, where they grabbed young men off streets and from their houses?
It was very unpopular, lead to people fleeing the country, and was pushed out of the public eye as soon as they figured out how to forcefully volunteer people instead.
Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad
#473Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why aren't refugees/immigrants conscripted over citizens?
Because citizenship is a commitment, not merely a set of privileges. If you obtain a citizenship (or have it imposed on you upon birth), it comes with a set of duties other residents and visitors do not have. The duty to defend your country is a traditional one. Some countries may conscript non-citizens or allow them to serve voluntarily. Often because they are more likely to use the military as an extension of forei…
The philosophical justifications sound nice and all.
The thing is that when you have a huge non-citizen percentage of the population that is actively drawing taxpayer money out of the state to the point where the social welfare system is beginning to break down, and you have the working citizens of the country being taxed at 50% or more to support that during an escalating global cost of living crisis, you have effectively destroyed the social contract around citizenship that permits this system to function. For the massive aged population that's drawing retiree benefits, there's at least the justification that they paid into the system during their lifetime, even if the equation that makes the retirement system work increasingly doesn't work anymore.
Now the young people are being told to go die to keep that system alive. I wouldn't be surprised if most don't.
Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad
#474Earlier quoted context omitted.
Military service in the west is not for defence. Irak, Iran, Syria, Vietnam...
It is for the defense of the American national interests and friend nations: - Iraq: 1) to expel Iraq from Kuwait, and 2) weapons (though this turned out to be mistaken) after the 9/11 attacks - Iran: we don’t need another nuclear nation - Syria: destroy terrorists (ISIS), enforce the red line on chemical weapons, and to protect US troops (when we attacked Iran-supported militias) - Vietnam: to stop the spread of com…
So while many of the reasons are questionable (understatement of the year), let’s focus on the last one. After America lost the war in Vietnam, what happened to those neighboring nations? Did they suffer from Vietnamese communists? The only Vietnamese intervention was in Cambodia, and hardly anyone thinks that wasn’t the right thing to do.
Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad
#475Earlier quoted context omitted.
They dont need now. Germany is getting ready for being invaded by Russia, basically. They are also building mandatory military service.
Yes, the previous time they were getting ready it was because those pesky Poles being an inch away from invading the Third Reich.
Cold war didn't happen (yes, USSR, not Russia)?
Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad
#476Earlier quoted context omitted.
Military service in the west is not for defence. Irak, Iran, Syria, Vietnam...
It is for the defense of the American national interests and friend nations: - Iraq: 1) to expel Iraq from Kuwait, and 2) weapons (though this turned out to be mistaken) after the 9/11 attacks - Iran: we don’t need another nuclear nation - Syria: destroy terrorists (ISIS), enforce the red line on chemical weapons, and to protect US troops (when we attacked Iran-supported militias) - Vietnam: to stop the spread of com…
That is basically redefining the word defense, though.
I can’t be like “it was self defense” if I beat somebody up because they are getting too big at the gym and they could beat me up later if I don’t beat them up first.
That doesn’t mean such a thing is never ever justified, in international relations, it just ain’t “defense”.
Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad
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As a German who is very happy with their Gambian apprentice, may I kindly ask you to go fuck yourself.
Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad
#478Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's a meaningless, feel-good rule. Every country has countless carve-outs. To give you a trivial example: in the US, you can't get a passport if you owe more than $2,500 in child support.
Whilst I agree, to be fair, a passport is usually only needed when entering a country, not leaving one, right? Under the cited rule, the US needs to allow you to leave , not help you in entering some other country.
I have yet to leave a country (well, a state technically) without having to show a passport - with the exception of the Schengen area.
Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad
#479Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is for the defense of the American national interests and friend nations: - Iraq: 1) to expel Iraq from Kuwait, and 2) weapons (though this turned out to be mistaken) after the 9/11 attacks - Iran: we don’t need another nuclear nation - Syria: destroy terrorists (ISIS), enforce the red line on chemical weapons, and to protect US troops (when we attacked Iran-supported militias) - Vietnam: to stop the spread of com…
So while many of the reasons are questionable (understatement of the year), let’s focus on the last one. After America lost the war in Vietnam, what happened to those neighboring nations? Did they suffer from Vietnamese communists? The only Vietnamese intervention was in Cambodia, and hardly anyone thinks that wasn’t the right thing to do.
The OP said it was not for “defence.” I am arguing the reasons were for the defense of American interests. That is objectively true.