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Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by KeplerBoy »

teekert wrote: post #448
jmalicki wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You aren't paying to be using that limit all of the time. You are paying to be using that limit some of the time. There are 5 hour windows when you are sleeping and can't use it. There are weekend limits. Theoretically you can max out every 5 hour window, but they lose money on that. It's structured so users can have bursts of unlimited usage, and spend ~15% of the theoretical max cap, and that's still cheaper than a…

I've met people that fill a box of sushi to take home at the end of their “all you can eat” session because “they paid for it”. Shrug.

Yes and the staff will tell them to stop that or charge them extra for it.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by manmal »

jesse_dot_id wrote: post #73

There seem to be a ton of people who don't understand how subscription services work. Every single one of them oversells their capacity. The power users that use the services a lot are subsidized by those who don't use it as much, which tends to be the vast majority of the user base. OpenClaw is an autonomous power user. The growing adoption of this walking attack surface was either going to A) cause the cost of Clau…

Come on, someone on a Max account has a reason why they are paying $200. I bet many are at least often near the weekly limit, or they‘ll downgrade. If anything, OpenClaw usage is more spread out instead of ingesting whole codebases during office hours.

The Anthropic subs are likely priced at marginal cost (Amp‘s CEO recently said that in a podcast). It just doesn’t serve Anthropic to be operating as the service layer for OpenClaw.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by KeplerBoy »

xvector wrote: post #289
j45 wrote: post #212

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Efficient token use will be the new code/vim golf. Whether it's human token use, or future OpenClaws

No org doing real work cares about token use costs. This mainly just affects hobbyists.

Token use cost can easily get as large as dev salaries. Even real businesses care about that.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by hnburnsy »

gos9 wrote: post #286

I don’t understand why they’re catching any flak here lol if you want to use the frontier model more then pay for it? Graceful handling from Anthropic

>Graceful handling from Anthropic

Less than 24 hours notice and on a holiday weekend

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by ph4rsikal »

jesse_dot_id wrote: post #73

There seem to be a ton of people who don't understand how subscription services work. Every single one of them oversells their capacity. The power users that use the services a lot are subsidized by those who don't use it as much, which tends to be the vast majority of the user base. OpenClaw is an autonomous power user. The growing adoption of this walking attack surface was either going to A) cause the cost of Clau…

So it's like Sliceline from Silicon Valley (the show)

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by manmal »

jmalicki wrote: post #190
goosejuice wrote: post #160

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What you're saying is conceptually true for subscription services in general, but thats not why they are making this change. There's a 5 hour limit and a weekly limit. Those are hard token limits. Everyone on a plan pays for the max set of tokens in that plan. The limits manage capacity. The solution to that isn't a change of ToS, it's adjusting the limits. In other words this is about Anthropic subsidizing their own…

You aren't paying to be using that limit all of the time. You are paying to be using that limit some of the time. There are 5 hour windows when you are sleeping and can't use it. There are weekend limits. Theoretically you can max out every 5 hour window, but they lose money on that. It's structured so users can have bursts of unlimited usage, and spend ~15% of the theoretical max cap, and that's still cheaper than a…

Tell me you are not using Anthropic without telling me. Bursts of unlimited usage was never the case. And I bet their infrastructure doesn’t like bursts as much as more spread out activity.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by manmal »

PostOnce wrote: post #205
jesse_dot_id wrote: post #73

There seem to be a ton of people who don't understand how subscription services work. Every single one of them oversells their capacity. The power users that use the services a lot are subsidized by those who don't use it as much, which tends to be the vast majority of the user base. OpenClaw is an autonomous power user. The growing adoption of this walking attack surface was either going to A) cause the cost of Clau…

The entire point of AI is for it to do shit autonomously? The whole point is that the users can have it doing shit for them instead of them having to babysit the computer. The fact that users still have to sit there and argue with it erodes their value proposition. The proposition you can pay fewer salaries.

They want you to do your shit through their own desktop apps.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by username44 »

dimmke wrote: post #269
jmalicki wrote: post #190

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You aren't paying to be using that limit all of the time. You are paying to be using that limit some of the time. There are 5 hour windows when you are sleeping and can't use it. There are weekend limits. Theoretically you can max out every 5 hour window, but they lose money on that. It's structured so users can have bursts of unlimited usage, and spend ~15% of the theoretical max cap, and that's still cheaper than a…

I feel like Anthropic is going down a bad path here with billing things this way. Especially as local LLM continues to develop so fast. I downgraded from my $200 a month plan to my $20 plan and hit limits constantly. I try to use the API access I purchased separately, and it doesn't work with Claude Code (something about the 1 million context requiring extra usage) so I have to use it Continue. Then I get instantly r…

You can use the API with CC, you just need to log out and log in, selecting API usage.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by goosejuice »

gregjw wrote: post #440
lherron wrote: post #428

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I think maybe you are not familiar with what /loop and the Claude cron tools do. https://code.claude.com/docs/en/scheduled-tasks

I need a hypothetical use case for things like this, I don't get how so many people have so much desire for use of features like this.

https://martinfowler.com/articles/harness-engineering.html it's being talked about everywhere.

If you manage developers or product folk, do you allow them to work when you're not looking over their shoulder? All developers can be managers/team leads now. You plan, you delegate, you review.

You're welcome to not do this, surely that's appropriate in quite a few areas of work, but many of us are because we can get more work done than if we we're micromanaging every line of code change. For startups, where a bit of quality can suffer in favor of finding market fit, this is huge.

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