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People inside Microsoft are fighting to drop mandatory Microsoft Account

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Re: People inside Microsoft are fighting to drop mandatory Microsoft Account

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Post by cyberax »

john_strinlai wrote: post #159
jerf wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Suddenly" in this case does not mean tomorrow. It means that, today, a lot of enterprises begin pondering the question, and then about a year from now, they start seriously studying and prototyping it, and then "suddenly" in 2029 Microsoft starts seeing a deluge of defections. It means a whole bunch of peopling finishing the conversion all at once, relatively speaking, even if that "all at once" is 3-4 years away. T…

> 20 years is way too large a minimum estimate. i disagree. unless intuit is also rewriting quickbooks, dassault systèmes is rewriting solidworks, every bank is rewriting their custom windows-only software, every government branch is rewriting their custom windows-only software, etc. and every company is willing to retrain 95% of their employees on a new operating system, have increased support requirements for a few…

> i disagree. unless intuit is also rewriting quickbooks, dassault systèmes is rewriting solidworks

Autodesk Fusion runs in browser, and even SolidWorks has an online version. You were saying?...

> every bank is rewriting their custom windows-only software

This has been happening for a while, actually. Typically they rewrite software as webapps, with a microservice-based backend.

> not even touching the capital required for such a transition that in many cases has questionable benefits (from a business perspective).

Software gets rewritten all the time, often in the "Ship of Theseus" way. The next rewrite will just focus on moving stuff away from MS.

Re: People inside Microsoft are fighting to drop mandatory Microsoft Account

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Post by slekker »

pipes wrote: post #19
ooterness wrote: post #3

Too little, too late. I switched to Linux and I'm never looking back. Good riddance, Microsoft.

I've done this several times over the last 18 years or so. The most recent was a few months a go. And my steamdeck persuaded me. Unfortunately I ran into the same WiFi networking issue I've never managed to resolve. Even on different hardware. Pings to my default gateway are ridiculously slow compared to windows. I spent countless hours trying to resolve. I gave up and have gone with windows 11 ltsc.

I had a problem with a Realtek wifi card, where it would become slow for a few seconds every couple of minutes, had to disable a setting , maybe it helps you: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Network_configuration/Wirel...

Re: People inside Microsoft are fighting to drop mandatory Microsoft Account

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Post by anonyggs »

judah wrote: post #361
OliveMate wrote: post #277

I think the decreasing fondness of Windows can mostly be blamed on Microsoft forcing their internet services on users; with the need for Microsoft accounts being the most recent & damning of the bunch. You had gadgets in Vista & 7, but they could easily be disabled. 8 had live tiles for things like the news (effortlessly removable) and introduced the Microsoft Store (which increasingly needs an account). 8.1 added Bi…

FYI, Microsoft Store doesn't need an account. You can install apps without being signed in to the Store. Source: I work on the Microsoft Store.

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Re: People inside Microsoft are fighting to drop mandatory Microsoft Account

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Post by dogcomplex »

lol. lmao actually.

Windows has an absolute onslaught of competition about to stream its way, and they're gonna be paying for every little enshittified user experience they've embedded into their OS. Hope they enjoy ripping that out just to slow their user numbers deathspiral

The people inside Microsoft fighting to keep mandatory accounts out are the equivalent of a crew throwing furniture off a sinking ship, hoping to buy more time. They're smart enough to have an innate sense of where things are going, and it might even help a little, but man... good luck.

Re: People inside Microsoft are fighting to drop mandatory Microsoft Account

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Post by debazel »

LeoPanthera wrote: post #466
TheDong wrote: post #171

Are people inside apple fighting to drop the mandatory apple account for iOS and various core apple features? I can buy a thinkpad and install linux on it without once creating a microsoft account. I can buy an android phone supported by GrapheneOS, and use it as a perfectly fine phone without ever creating a google account. I cannot buy an iPhone without creating an apple account, without getting ads shoved in my fa…

> I cannot buy an iPhone without creating an apple account You can both buy and use an iPhone without creating an Apple account. You are limited to the built-in apps, but those built-in apps cover most common use-cases. Most people wouldn't want to do this, of course. But you can.

> cover most common use-cases.

It absolutely does not.

Re: People inside Microsoft are fighting to drop mandatory Microsoft Account

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Post by throwaway5465 »

autoexec wrote: post #285
stronglikedan wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> OneDrive which now defaults to storing online only Holy shit that's nuts!

Makes it easier for them to mine your files for personal data they can use to push ads I guess.

I view it as a change in philosophy that does allow more ads indeed and goes deeper into how microsoft view themselves and by extension their customers:

You have an account that exists on Microsoft - on being somewhere, multiple places at once, even in location and function, in a ocean of Microsoft but whose existence and ownership of existence is finely permissioned.

vs.

You own your device(s).

Re: People inside Microsoft are fighting to drop mandatory Microsoft Account

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Post by jlokier »

Miraste wrote: post #148
Rapzid wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone with a sizeable background in Linux system engineering.. I prefer Windows to MacOS. It's IMHO a better desktop now with the edge snap tile layout and etc. Excellent device compatibility. And I get my linux environment needs satisfied via WSL2 these days. But damn if they don't get in their own way. I have my own Pro licenses, and even with Pro turning off ads and features is text book whack-a-mole: * Frequ…

I also think Windows' native window tiling is one of its best features, but there's a fantastic program called Swish that implements tiling for MacOS in a very native-feeling way. It supports keyboard shortcuts, but it's built around really elegant touchpad gestures. Highly recommend if that's all that's keeping you on Windows. The other native Windows feature I really like is the clipboard manager, and I don't have…

*> the clipboard manager [...] If anyone has a recommendation that feels native

I use Maccy (https://maccy.app/). I've been very happy with it, and wish I'd installed it years earlier than I did. It's open source, and does its one job well.

I haven't used the Windows clipboard manager so I don't know how they compare on features.

Re: People inside Microsoft are fighting to drop mandatory Microsoft Account

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Post by speedylight »

At this point windows should be classified as a public utility and regulated as such. Microsoft has turned the most popular operating system on earth into an ad riddled and dysfunctional joke. Satya Nadella destroyed what would’ve been a stellar legacy as CEO of Microsoft by allowing all this crap to go on, chief among them is the war on local accounts.

Re: People inside Microsoft are fighting to drop mandatory Microsoft Account

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Post by seb1204 »

tombert wrote: post #242
spandrew wrote: post #13

I would never advise anyone buy a Microsoft Windows laptop these days — between the forced updates, the account and service-fee thirst, ads, and consumer unfriendly product release process (forced opt-in). Guess what? With Apple's new Neo laptop the price is also way way wayyy out to lunch. If MSFT gives a business a huge bulk discount to buy their laptops + Office360 + Teams... OK? But as a "consumer" it really suck…

I bought my mother in law a Lenovo Thinkbook for Christmas; I didn't know that the Macbook Neo was coming else I might have waited for that. Anyway, I installed Linux Mint on there. She has been using it every day and at least according to her there hasn't really been any jank (and I told her to call me any time if something breaks and I'll fix it). At this point, I think Linux distros have gotten good enough to real…

Great, I did the same some years ago with xubutu. Did you set up some remote control software to log in if needed? Which one?
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