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Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by stefandesu »

hecifato wrote: post #321
barrell wrote: post #105

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My non techie friends all hate it. I don’t think there is a single Apple user I talk to regularly that hasn’t complained about it, or ask me why it is that way (being the resident tech person for some). And besides a few odd posts on x, I haven’t heard anyone techy speak positively about it. Maybe I’m the one in a bubble, but I’m seriously considering switching from Apple as a lifelong Apple user, largely because of…

I do think the glass effects do look great in certain areas, like pulling down Notification Center. But I find LG for the most part to be change for the sake of it. Small things like replacing the Cancel & Confirm/Done prompts with larger X or checkmark icons bother me. They take up more space on screen, and honestly they don't always translate well. There are some cases where a checkmark has taken the place of "Done…

> I do think the glass effects do look great in certain areas, like pulling down Notification Center

This is one of many things that really bother me in iOS 26, after just having updated from iOS 18. It just looks wrong that it's fully transparent until you fully pulled it down, and then suddenly everything flies away. Very strange effect.

Another thing is the border effect on the icons and widgets. I wish there was a way to turn those off completely, but either you get the motion effect or you have permanent borders.

So many strange decisions.

Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by merlindru »

GeekyBear wrote: post #420
merlindru wrote: post #414

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Notarised apps are still handled differently and made harder to run than apps from the AppStore

Just like Windows SmartScreen and now the new requirements for Android.

yeah they're moving into the wrong direction as well. not to mention that notarisation is for after-the-fact anyways. malware still slips through (historically true!). it's just supposed to shrink the blast radius AFTER apple knows a binary is malware.

what does the scare modal of "are you really sure you wanna run this? could be bad dude..." do?

the only purpose i can see it serving is to push devs to use the AppStore on mac, which is highly restricted in what you can do, and of course, takes 30% of your revenue

Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by monegator »

gib444 wrote: post #389
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Banks. Always banks. It is almost impossible to have a physical access token in my country.

That's curious. What do you mean by /almost/ impossible? Slightly more inconvenient / would have to visit a branch one time? In the UK card readers are still widely supported by traditional banks. As is SMS for one time codes. People who think fintech banks are the only ones that exist might have a warped view on reality of course

i mean that i don't know of a single bank in my country that still offers physical tokens. I'm sure there is at least one and you have to go through hoops. I left my previous main bank after they retired the tokens and mandated the app use, which required biometrics.

Current main bank is not so bad, but i'm not sure if the app works without google play integrity (at least it doesn't mind developer mode / unlocked bootloader)

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Post by gib444 »

monegator wrote: post #473
gib444 wrote: post #389

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That's curious. What do you mean by /almost/ impossible? Slightly more inconvenient / would have to visit a branch one time? In the UK card readers are still widely supported by traditional banks. As is SMS for one time codes. People who think fintech banks are the only ones that exist might have a warped view on reality of course

i mean that i don't know of a single bank in my country that still offers physical tokens. I'm sure there is at least one and you have to go through hoops. I left my previous main bank after they retired the tokens and mandated the app use, which required biometrics. Current main bank is not so bad, but i'm not sure if the app works without google play integrity (at least it doesn't mind developer mode / unlocked boo…

That sucks. The UK gets a lot of stick for being 'stuck in the past' sometimes but when I hear things like that, I'm totally OK with it. We can even do proxy banking at a Post Office ! [0]

At least we don't currently require a US tech company (Apple | Google) to give their blessing to people to have a bank account :-)

Though I'm sure your country's set up will be ours before too long...

[0] https://www.postoffice.co.uk/everydaybanking

Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by JollySharp0 »

eimrine wrote: post #470
JollySharp0 wrote: post #217

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None of these corporations are going to have their CEO / CTO / CFO go to Jail, face the huge fines or get kicked out of the UK for you. 4chan, KiwiFarms etc. can stick a middle finger up at the UK because tbh they probably don't have that many UK users and have nothing there for the British Government to go after, the best they can do is probably nab the owner if they ever land on UK soil.

Apple is too big to get kicked from UK, actually corporations are already having more power than most of the governments.

Corporations are not powerful than the state. They wouldn't bother cosying up to various Prkme Minister and Presidents if that is the case.

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Post by jmye »

bigyabai wrote: post #468
jmye wrote: post #458

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> The "ad business" canard is (and always was) a distraction. Your position is that Google has not and does not differentially acquire data on its users (and non-users) because... Apple has shared some data with the feds? Is that a serious position?

Your position is that Apple meaningfully differentiates itself by copying Google's worst behavior? Lemming logic does not apply, Apple and Google can't blame each other for assenting to warrantless surveillance.

My position is that they differentially collect data and that their version of that data collection is worse.

It's almost like that's way I've been talking solely about that for the entire thread, in spite of your attempts to whatabout other things into the conversation that you think make Apple Bad. I'm not clear why you're finding this conversation challenging.

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Post by queenkjuul »

internet2000 wrote: post #469
queenkjuul wrote: post #437

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I hear the phrase "you're holding it wrong" said sarcastically all the time, people remember antennagate

You remember the funny turn of phrase instead of how bad the reception was in your iPhone 4, and how it ruined the experience of owning it. Because it wasn't that big of a deal in the end.

Well no, I've never owned a iPhone, but me and clearly many others remember antennagate, and I'm sure the same many of us will remember liquid glass

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Post by Rohansi »

jmye wrote: post #477
bigyabai wrote: post #468

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Your position is that Apple meaningfully differentiates itself by copying Google's worst behavior? Lemming logic does not apply, Apple and Google can't blame each other for assenting to warrantless surveillance.

My position is that they differentially collect data and that their version of that data collection is worse . It's almost like that's way I've been talking solely about that for the entire thread, in spite of your attempts to whatabout other things into the conversation that you think make Apple Bad. I'm not clear why you're finding this conversation challenging.

There is more to data collection than analytics. This thread is specifically discussing data which users voluntarily share by using Apple's services.

Yes, it's still hypothetical, but do you think it's that unlikely? You can't use Advanced Data Protection (full E2EE for iCloud) in the UK anymore. It was forced upon them but compare that vs. their malicious compliance of the EU's DMA. The first only negatively impacts Apple's customers while the second aims to empower customers, but negatively affects Apple.

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Post by razingeden »

JollySharp0 wrote: post #465
razingeden wrote: post #451

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So far , anyone telling OFCOM where to shove it (think: 4chan) doesn’t have any kind of operations or presence in the UK , is refusing to pay their fines, denies being under their jurisdiction — and doesn’t seem to care if they get blocked by the whole country. I don’t think much of that is true for Apple, even though there isn’t even a so called law they’re even following. They’re just doing the opposite and rolling…

I was hoping someone like Musk (who is temperamental) would tell them to spin on it (I know people here don't like him). Politicians tend to use Twitter, so they would be directly affected. The benefit of KF and 4chan telling them to stick it, is that it creates a precedent where most sites outside the UK can just ignore them. I think both KF and 4chan are going to the US courts to get the matter decided IIRC they ar…

Oh, it’s a joint lawsuit apparently. Didn’t know that thanks for that.

I’d just get updates from pacer. 1:25-cv-2880 in the District of Columbia. I’m not super interested in this to go look today but leaving it here for future reference once there’s more filings and hearings in the case. This would eventually become “interesting” to me no matter who had raised the federal question(s). Personalities aside , I would rather just stick to the case filings and the findings of fact in there.

Aside from being a “dick” I’ve already made the mistake of looking there for scoops and burned a few brain cells wading through wildly speculative legal interpretations from a crazed mob that has next to no basis in reality.

I guess it has to be someone with standing to sue ofcom and tell them where to stick it and I’d have a really hard time pretending I don’t approve of cantankerous defenses of 1A.

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