> The reasons for this are [...] improved data protection. Didn't the Snowden leaks just prove that the NSA is listening to most things anyway? I suppose this has more to do with the specific case of a lower-level agency being able to access your data, rather than it being actually secure? I get that people would be concerned about that scenario, but also it seems like a little bit of hair-splitting.
Migrating to the EU
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#472Earlier quoted context omitted.
In email world, this is as far from 'good to go' as you can get. Good luck getting anyone to read your emails this way.
Do you run your email server? I run two, have next to no problems (the key is in setting up DNS correctly, as I mentioned) and keep getting told this by people who have never tried.
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#473As a Canadian, I’ve been thinking since last year about migrating to non-US services and applications. My main goal is simply to avoid giving money or data directly to US corporations. I have no illusions, these non-US services probably still benefit US companies in some ways. They’re rare, but I’ve consciously decided to stay away from some Canadian alternatives. The main customers of most Canadian tech companies ar…
For Photos, consider Ente (e2ee). Instead of Startpage, try DDG (DuckDuckGo) - been using it now for several years instead of Google as I found no difference in search quality.
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The EU has about 450 million citizens, which of course limits my direct vote. Downside of a democracy (EU is a complicated democracy, but still) is that a majority probably has other priorities than me. However there are many ways to impact policy makers. From individual contact to impact on the public debate. Even a small post here may lead to people considering their vote or contacting a local or EU parliamentarian…
The European commission proposes laws. European commissioners are proposed through existing EU institutions. They are not voted in.
You vote for MEPs, who discuss laws, pass them, perhaps amending them. They do not propose them.
And by the way, this is not democracy, it is 'representative democracy' - you vote for one person to represent you and 100,000s of others for all the decisions an MEP makes over their 5 year term. They are not bound in any way to stick to their campaign promises.
Anyway, you might be happy or not about the laws these unelected bodies pass - I'm glad you seem happy about it. You might or might not see Europe as a triumph for its subjects. But there is no need to kid yourself or others that you have any impact over policy.
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#475How comfortable are you guys with the fact that EU countries allow prosecutors and sometimes even police officers to issue their own search warrants without meaningful judicial review? Some EU courts will not exclude illegally obtained evidence either, so challenging the warrant later on will be pointless. Oh, and you might be in a reasonable EU country and still be hit with an EIO from one of the unreasonable countr…
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#476Earlier quoted context omitted.
EIOs are subject to a dual criminality requirement. So it’s not as if arbitrary Hungarian laws can be applied in France via EIOs. And of course, we all know this is not happening, which is why we get radio silence from the people who are ‘concerned’ about this whenever specifics are requested.
>EIOs are subject to a dual criminality requirement Dual criminality requirement only applies to non-Annex D crimes. Which is... not many crimes. You seem awfully confident for someone so ill-informed. >And of course, we all know this is not happening How would you know that it isn't happening? EIOs are not public!
Not sure what to make of the claim that Hungary might theoretically be enforcing Hungarian law in France. It seems surprising that no-one has noticed any specific consequences of this that you can point to.
The EIO is mostly just a formalization and standardization of a bunch of ad-hoc processes that were already in place. Law enforcement agencies in different European countries do try to assist each other, on the whole.
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#477> "the EU currently has the most user-friendly laws when it comes to data protection" I have not done any research into this facet of EU laws, but isn't the EU simply horrible when it comes to privacy of your data from a nosy government?
It's a case of "better is not perfect".
Yes, the EU & it's member states allow the police quite a bit of access to data and servers. However, there are still decently functional checks and balances. Unlike China, unlike Russia, unlike the US, where there is a carte-blanche already employed by authoritarian governments.
What the line really seems to refer to is General data protection. While "the state spies on you" is one attack vector, and one certainly becoming dangerous for oppressed minority groups in the US, it's not the only one.
For most people, really, all people because the authoritarian systems rely heavily on data from breaches, the chief risk to one's wellbeing are said data breaches. Of companies recklessly collecting all data they can get their hands on and retaining it forever.
There, the EU does have notably better laws. Where data collection and retention are restricted, and user-requested deletion is a legal right. (Enforcement of this is still a mess.)
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France is routinely criticised for its police, justice system, and rule of law [1]. In general only the French believe that they are a shining beacon. [1] https://worldjusticeproject.org/rule-of-law-index/country/Fr...
I don't think the french as a whole believe that. A lot of people in France are highly critical of the way the current government (and how it is more and more far right leaning) has been handling things in the last decade. There is a big issue of the police forces syndicates being highly far right biased which doesn't help. Like many countries, it is not homogeneous.
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#479European here. "Migrating to the EU" is serving a self-fulfilling delusion just as joining the so -called revolutionary forces after WW2 and moving to eastern Europe. The EU does everything to de-industrialize itself and protect its ground by using surveillance tools branded as "child protection" rules. Europeans don't have any tradition in thinking in freedom, in civil rights, in having a state that isn't there to s…
We're not all Germany over here.
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#480Frankly many in the US are over the Trump administration and I expect a massive backlash in the midterms. Do what you want of course but I think the descent of the US is slowing and there will be a return to normalcy after this admin.