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Re: I'm OK being left behind, thanks

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Post by imtringued »

aleph_minus_one wrote: post #209
wolframhempel wrote: post #50

There's value in being early - in the right thing. - If you'd invested in Bitcoin in 2016, you'd have made a 200x return - If you'd specialized in neural networks before the transformer paper, you'd be one of the most sought-after specialists right now - If you'd started making mobile games when the iPhone was released, you could have built the first Candy Crush Of course, you could just as well have - become an Acti…

> - If you'd specialized in neural networks before the transformer paper, you'd be one of the most sought-after specialists right now > - If you'd started making mobile games when the iPhone was released, you could have built the first Candy Crush I disagree: Concerning the first point: how neural networks are today is very different from how they were in former days. So, the knowledge of neural networks from the pas…

There's also the problem that there is currently a huge transformer monoculture in the AI space. Everything gets better if you throw transformers at the problem.

If you had worked on anything other than a transformer based architecture post 2016, such as Mamba or RWKV, you would have wasted your time.

Mamba 3 is the third iteration and somehow I doubt that it will catch on.

Re: I'm OK being left behind, thanks

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Post by GeoAtreides »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #459
GeoAtreides wrote: post #182

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so you either are well connected or you starve, got it guess it's death and destitute for introverts edit: please explain the downvotes, i'm curious why you think i'm wrong if what op says it's true, that today only networking works, then it easily follows that if for some reasons you do not have a network then you don't get hired

Bro I'm an introvert and I have work connections. It isn't hard.

> I have work connections.

> It isn't hard.

you're not an introvert then

Re: I'm OK being left behind, thanks

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Post by aquariusDue »

HolyLampshade wrote: post #268
augusto-moura wrote: post #164

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What I get a bit annoyed is companies forcing AI tools, getting usage metrics and actively hunting the engineers that don't use the tool "enough", I've never seen anything like it for a technically optional tool. Even in the past, aside from technical limitaions, you were not required to use enough of a tool. It just sounds like a giant scheme to burn through tokens and give money to the AI corps, and tech directors…

> I've never seen anything like it for a technically optional tool Cloud had a very similar vibe when it was really running advertising to CIO/CTOs hard. Everything had to be jammed into the cloud, even if it made absolutely no sense for it to be run there. This seems to come pretty frequently from visionless tech execs. They need to justify their existence to their boss, and thus try to show how innovative and/or co…

That and microservices in lieu of a monolith. Or how about being the odd one out a few years ago when suggesting a MPA instead of a SPA when it made sense. I like to think where at the point of everybody is rebuilding their portfolio website with Angular 1 but this time it's Claude Code and a SaaS instead.

Re: I'm OK being left behind, thanks

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Post by ryandrake »

mh- wrote: post #391
jrjeksjd8d wrote: post #244

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Why do you care so much? If these are really revolutionary tools that vastly optimize work, why bother forcing people to "try new models and best practices"? If the benefit is there people will use it or get left behind, there's no sense having a mandate that people resentfully try the new tooling. Imagine you had a developer who writes Java using vim. It sounds insane but they are just as productive as everyone else…

> FWIW in the face of these kind of mandates I have been using tokens but ignoring the output. So it's costing my employer money and they have a warped metric of whether the tool is actually useful. What you're actually doing here, from my POV, is incentivizing your employer to use more invasive metrics when they tried to stay hands-off and mandate the absolute bare minimum of "uh, give it a shot and see if you think…

> mandate the absolute bare minimum of "uh, give it a shot and see if you think it's useful right now."

That’s not the bare minimum, though. The bare minimum is: “if you are meeting or exceeding your job expectations, great work, keep using the tools that are working for you.”

To a productive employee, merely saying “just try out AI, it might help” feels like the boss saying “just try out astrology or visit a psychic for a reading. You might find it interesting.”

Re: I'm OK being left behind, thanks

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Post by agentultra »

stiiv wrote: post #33

> If this tech is as amazing as you say it is, I'll be able to pick it up and become productive on a timescale of my choosing not yours. Broadly speaking, I think this is a wise assessment. There are opportunities for productivity gains right now, but it I don't think it's a knockout for anyone using the tech, and I think that onboarding might be challenging for some people in the tech's current state. It is safe to…

One area where it may end up leaving you behind is if you’re looking for a job right now. There are a lot of companies putting vibe coding in their job requirements. The more companies that do this the harder it will be to find employment if you’re not adopting this tool/workflow.

Re: I'm OK being left behind, thanks

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Post by GeoAtreides »

lionkor wrote: post #307
GeoAtreides wrote: post #182

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so you either are well connected or you starve, got it guess it's death and destitute for introverts edit: please explain the downvotes, i'm curious why you think i'm wrong if what op says it's true, that today only networking works, then it easily follows that if for some reasons you do not have a network then you don't get hired

I'm currently involved in the hiring process in our company, selecting engineers for my team. If someone applies who has the programming language we ask for in their CV, they get a first interview. If they can read code, and write VERY basic code, they will get through at least the first 2 rounds without any issues. If people put down the AI, and actually learn how to write a `for` loop, they would be more hire-able…

OP was saying the only way to get hired is through work connections

of course if the process doesn't involve networking then we don't have a problem, we agree on that

Re: I'm OK being left behind, thanks

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Post by logicchains »

stiiv wrote: post #33

> If this tech is as amazing as you say it is, I'll be able to pick it up and become productive on a timescale of my choosing not yours. Broadly speaking, I think this is a wise assessment. There are opportunities for productivity gains right now, but it I don't think it's a knockout for anyone using the tech, and I think that onboarding might be challenging for some people in the tech's current state. It is safe to…

Even if it reaches the end state of AGI, e.g. AI that's smarter and more capable than 90% of humans, there'll still be a huge learning curve to using it well, as anyone who's tried managing very smart humans can attest.

Re: I'm OK being left behind, thanks

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Post by bigstrat2003 »

aleph_minus_one wrote: post #288
another-dave wrote: post #110

On the otherhand, when Cloud Computing started to come in, I knew a bunch of sysadmins. Some were in the "it'll never take off" camp and no doubt they know it now, kicking and screaming. But the curious early adopters were the ones best positioned to be leading the charge on "cloud migration" when the business finally pulled the trigger. Similarly with mobile dev. As a Java dev at the time that Android came along, I…

> On the other[ ]hand, when Cloud Computing started to come in, I knew a bunch of sysadmins. Some were in the "it'll never take off" camp and no doubt they know it now, kicking and screaming. > But the curious early adopters were the ones best positioned to be leading the charge on "cloud migration" when the business finally pulled the trigger. From a technological perspective, these sysadmins were right: in nearly a…

Yeah, most companies still should not be using cloud for stuff. I think a lot of people here who work for startups don't get that, because cloud makes a ton of sense if you're a new business that has a hundred other higher priorities than spending capital on infrastructure and sysadmins. But for most companies? They are better off with on prem.

Re: I'm OK being left behind, thanks

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Post by Kiro »

we_have_options wrote: post #212
gradus_ad wrote: post #193

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But it's so easy to try something like Claude Code. It's not like you need to get up to speed. There is no learning curve*, that's the nature of AI. Just start using it and you'll see why it has attracted so much hype. *I should qualify that "using" CC in the strict sense has no learning curve, but really getting the most out of it may take some time as you see its limitations. But it's not learning tech in the tradi…

I've been playing with it on weekends for the last few months. 9 out of 10 projects, it's failed. Projects as simple as "set up a tmux/vim binding so I can write prompts in one pane and run claude in the other". Fails. I've been coding for over 20 years. If there is no learning curve, why doesn't it work for me? You can't say I'm not using it right, because if that was true, then all I need to do is climb the learnin…

Failing 9 out of 10 times for such simple tasks is indeed puzzling. I have no idea what you're doing to achieve that but I'm impressed.

Re: I'm OK being left behind, thanks

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Post by tayo42 »

sharkjacobs wrote: post #451
tayo42 wrote: post #300

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Are most cars not just undoing the lock, the bolts, switching the tire and redoing the bolts and locks? How are these put on in the first place on an assembly line?

This is the funniest possible answer to "Sounds like you've never changed a tire. Or at least not outside of a very controlled environment." "Oh, you think I've never changed a tire? Well here is my abstract high level understanding of the steps to changing a tire! And have you considered the quintessential controlled environment for putting tires onto cars?"

We all change tires with a jack and a spare? It's like a simple skill? I don't get the point your making then?
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