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France's aircraft carrier located in real time by Le Monde through fitness app

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Re: France's aircraft carrier located in real time by Le Monde through fitness app

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to be fair "relatively deep water" is 99% of seas and oceans...

And “only so fast” can be north of 30 knots. The vessel could today be 1000km in any direction from where it was when you found it yesterday.

Yes, but if you know the general direction of where it's going that reduces the search area quite a bit.

In this case, for example, the French Government publicly announced where it's going.

Re: France's aircraft carrier located in real time by Le Monde through fitness app

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This is a common problem across militaries. It is difficult to stop soldiers from leaking their location if they have access to mobile phones and the Internet. Individual cases are usually a combination of naïveté, ignorance, and an unwillingness to be inconvenienced. It still happens in Ukraine, where immediate risk to life and limb is much more severe than this case.

one more reason for open, adaptible, and secure mobile operating systems.

Even if it would gain mass adoption, how is that preventing end user to bypass the defaults and install some leaky app?

Re: France's aircraft carrier located in real time by Le Monde through fitness app

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Not every damn thing needs to be “social”.

Fwiw, from the people I know using Strava, it's less about the sharing/reading other's efforts aspect that makes them use it, and more because of the analysis, dashboards and stuff like that.

> and more because of the analysis, dashboards and stuff like that

Which is weird, because if they bought a Garmin device, they already have all that built in.

Re: France's aircraft carrier located in real time by Le Monde through fitness app

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Crazy to die because you used a jogging app. Really goes to show the value of privacy. And, you know, not committing war crimes that would make people want to hunt you down and kill you. Either or.

I have to call out this disingenuous mob like language which is basically saying "because this person served in the military of a UN Security Council member, it is justifiable to murder them in the street years into their retirement" how is a submarine commander committing war crimes? by the same way of thinking, it would be completely justified for people from many countries to show up at random US service members h…

> how is a submarine commander committing war crimes?

News reports from both Russia and Ukraine stated he was the commander of K-148 Krasnodar, a submarine that at the time of his command engaged in missile attacks on Ukrainian cities.

From a BBC article:

> Ukrainian media has said he could have been in command of the vessel when it carried out a missile attack on the Ukrainian city of Vinnytsia in July 2022, which killed 28 people, including three children.

Also, it's clear that a military officer is obviously a legitimate military target in a war.

Re: France's aircraft carrier located in real time by Le Monde through fitness app

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imho with unusually sensitive things like precise location data it could just not let you opt-in to making it all public, and make it much easier to share with a specific named friends than to share on a public directory

I really don't understand these criticisms of Strava, it has excellent privacy controls so you can share as little or as much as you want. You can already choose to share your activities with only your friends (followers). Or keep your activities private or hide the location data.

Strava has had a lot of privacy issues over the years, particularly with stuff like flybys.

Re: France's aircraft carrier located in real time by Le Monde through fitness app

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It's also a morale issue. It's easier to get people to huddle in a cold and damp hole if they can play video games and watch anime.

In my day, playing video games and watching anime didn't imply a network connection.

Normies used to deal in binders full of pirated music and movies. Then for a time they got into portable hard drives, but gradually this culture of media ownership was lost to the streaming services. Now your average normie doesn't know what a file is, wouldn't know where to put or what to do with a media file and only thinks of "apps".

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It's also a morale issue. It's easier to get people to huddle in a cold and damp hole if they can play video games and watch anime.

anime?

You may know it as Japanimation.

Re: France's aircraft carrier located in real time by Le Monde through fitness app

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post #427

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imho with unusually sensitive things like precise location data it could just not let you opt-in to making it all public, and make it much easier to share with a specific named friends than to share on a public directory

I really don't understand these criticisms of Strava, it has excellent privacy controls so you can share as little or as much as you want. You can already choose to share your activities with only your friends (followers). Or keep your activities private or hide the location data.

It does but my point is that your settings are applied to all activities.

Here's a few examples that might help demonstrate my point:

I used to do parkrun regularly. I had no problem sharing my Strava activities for parkrun because me doing it wasn't a secret, nor was the location secret, nor was my time secret. All of these things could be found from the parkrun website once the results had come up. John Doe was at this location at 9am and ran this route with 400 others in a time of 26 minutes or whatever.

I was also part of a cycling club that did a regular "club run" on a Sunday. 5-15 of us all doing the same route. It was good for club morale for us all to upload our rides to help show how popular it was and encourage other club members to come along. They could see that we weren't going at a silly pace and that we stopped regularly to regroup as we had riders of all abilities and speeds riding with us.

But then I also helped out with my kids running club at school, taking a bunch of 7-11 year old's on a 20 minute jog/run (depending on how quick they were) around the local area. This absolutely should not appear on Strava (public or not). The running club wasn't a secret (everyone at the school knew since they had the option of letting their kid do it) but that's a whole world of difference from having it public on Strava showing the usual start time, the various routes we used to take, where we stopped, etc. Privacy zones can help hide the start/end but that wouldn't help hide everything.

We just made sure that all of the parents who helped out knew that we shouldn't even record it with their smartwatch. I just used to create a manual entry of "Morning run" with approximate distance and time. That was good enough for my training stats.

There's no one privacy setting that handles all of this. Whatever setting you use relies on me to manually adjust the activities that don't fit that setting. The problem is that humans are fallible, so remembering to make it private or hide the location data isn't entirely reliable. You're also at the mercy of Strava (or whatever) not doing something stupid and accidentally making private data visible due to some bug, glitch or leak.

Re: France's aircraft carrier located in real time by Le Monde through fitness app

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SOSUS Am I supposed to believe we live in a world where this exists, yet carriers are impossible to find and track on the sea? Besides, modern fighter jets have radars with 400km detection ranges against fighter sized targets. A dozen of them or more specialized sensor aircraft could cover entire conflict zones.

Of course it's possible to find a giant ship. The interesting parts are that this vector is crazy cheap using public APIs, and the irony of the location source being the voluntary-or-ignorant active telemetry from a US service person. It's possible to go to the moon, launch ICBMs, and make fusion bombs. It's news when something possible gets cheap and easy. It's also newsworthy when one of the most powerful and expen…

Interesting point. On one hand they probably don't care if everyone knows where the carrier is (actually I'm pretty sure every military power knows where the other powers' military is), on the other hand from a "good practices" perspective, it doesn't look good.

Would it just be virtue signaling, or is there more to it?

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