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Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by freedomben »

layer8 wrote: post #127
_DeadFred_ wrote: post #103

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Every time these sorts of articles get posted people that express a differing opinion from the standard get flagged (making it so you can't read their post at all) pretty quickly making it seem more like the intention isn't to start discussion. It seems like it's gotten to the point that the people that just get flagged into oblivion stopped trying to post.

FWIW, you can read flagged posts and comments by turning on “showdead” in your profile.

IMHO showdead often surfaces a lot of interesting info. It's one of my favorite things about HN, and I love and appreciate that HN has that feature.

One example: If you want to see how bad the LLM slop commenting is, showdead is very helpful. It's not as bad as some people think, but it's certainly non-zero. On the plus side, those comments do seem to get identified and flagged/killed pretty quickly.

Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by freedomben »

fc417fc802 wrote: post #325
Sparkle-san wrote: post #266

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> I don’t think we should hold our guidelines hostage to pleas for the heart. I don't think that's an accurate framing of the situation. It's a single post that enough people decided was worthy of being upvoted to the front page. I think allowing the community to decide is far more inline with the spirit of hacker news than the outright banning a category of posts.

Without taking one side or the other I just want to point out that a large part of the utility of guidelines or rules is that communities left to their own devices typically develop toxic patterns that are detrimental on the whole. They enable the community to decide not to leave something up to the community in the future. It's a large part of the idea behind countries having constitutions for example.

Agreed. In the ideal, I would love for politics and many things to be part of HN, because I yearn for the thoughtful, objective, "hacker" analysis on all topics. But in practice I've seen that generally speaking HN isn't capable of this. And realistically it's not fair to expect that as it isn't really consistent with human nature (despite my wish that it was). Someday though I hope to find the "hacker news for {politics, news}" but I realize it may just not be possible.

Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by nailer »

olelele wrote: post #450
nailer wrote: post #442

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Israel has put Gaza under siege & total blockade since 2006. The population has been used for low paid work in Israel and treated more or less like cattle.

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Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by nailer »

bhouston wrote: post #349
nailer wrote: post #327

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100% not true. Abbas wants a Palestinian state beside Israel. This is what he has supported for a long time. And why many states in the last two years have recognized a Palestinian state: https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/mahmoud-abbas-palestinian-pres... While there was rejectionists in the past, Netanyahu has been the rejectionist for the last two decades. He says so himself: https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-boa…

> Abbas wants a Palestinian state beside Israel.

Have you researched what he says in Arabic, rather then English? In a 2014 interview on Egyptian TV (Arabic), Abbas stated he would never recognize Israel as a Jewish state and could not "close the door" to "refugees" wishing to return.

He's also insane: in 2023 at the UN (in a speech with Arabic elements echoed domestically), he denied proof of Jewish ties to Al-Aqsa/Temple Mount and accused Israel of lies akin to Goebbels propaganda. In April 2025, during a PLO Central Council meeting in Ramallah (televised in Arabic), he claimed the Quran places the Jewish Temples in Yemen, not Jerusalem.

Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by [deleted] »

throw310822 wrote: post #393
bhouston wrote: post #349

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100% not true. Abbas wants a Palestinian state beside Israel. This is what he has supported for a long time. And why many states in the last two years have recognized a Palestinian state: https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/mahmoud-abbas-palestinian-pres... While there was rejectionists in the past, Netanyahu has been the rejectionist for the last two decades. He says so himself: https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-boa…

It's pointless to engage with the argument that one party didn't think it was offered enough so it's right for the other party to offer even less. In never made any sense and it's just one of the myriad rhetorical tricks to twist, muddle and subvert the discussion.

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Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by OutOfHere »

torlok wrote: post #387
OutOfHere wrote: post #365

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The audacity you have to encourage them to die for nothing is what's staggering.

I'm not encouraging anything. I'm not the one putting onerous on the victims. Open a dictionary, if you don't know what "audacity" means.

Yes, you are basically encouraging those affected to stay where they are, effectively to just die where they are. You are among the same people who asked the Jews during the Holocaust to stay where they were, to not leave the country, effectively leading to their mass murder.

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Post by oulipo2 »

goku12 wrote: post #412
oulipo2 wrote: post #222

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Technology IS politics. Technology is a form of control. And in the capitalist system, this control is mostly exerted by private companies, on which the rules of democracy do not apply. There must be guardrails

Technology is not a form of control at all. Technology is the practical application of things you know, to achieve things that don't happen naturally. Here's what the wiki says: > Technology is the application of conceptual knowledge to achieve practical goals, especially in a reproducible way. By this definition, the earliest wooden and stone tools, use of fire, wheel, agriculture, housing and clothing were all legi…

Technology is *DEFINITELY* a form of control of humans over their environment / nature / peers

Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by poisonarena »

oa335 wrote: post #458
poisonarena wrote: post #400

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>Israeli Jews constantly dream about eliminating the Palestinian people. We talk about it openly and without shame. We? speak for yourself loser

“ 82 percent of respondents supported the expulsion of Gaza's residents, while 56 percent favored expelling Palestinian citizens of Israel.” “ Nearly half (47 percent) of respondents agreed that "when conquering an enemy city, the Israel Defense Forces should act as the Israelites did in Jericho under Joshua's command – killing all its inhabitants." Israeli society has a very, very strong genocidal current. https://a…

a poll of 1000 people in a country of 7 million..

ouch!!! got me!!!

Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by mindslight »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #359
wk_end wrote: post #294

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Yes, American police use these kinds of justifications when innocent people are killed too. It's absurd (watch Surviving Edged Weapons [0] some time) either way. The reality is, if you have soldiers mowing down children throwing rocks, mowing down families driving around, mowing down kids playing football, mowing down toddlers in their bedrooms, mowing down hundreds of people each year [1], you've over-indexed on vig…

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I'm going to repost and elaborate on a reply of mine that appears to be shadow dead with no explanation. This doesn't seem to be the usual result of disagreement flagging. The only problem I can see is that perhaps this did not meet the level of substantiveness expected from an HN comment (OTOH I don't see how what it was replying to would meet this either, and mine is at least coming from the direction of intellectual curiosity!)

"Perfect example of how no one thinks they're the villain in their own story"

To be clear, the comment I'm replying to is justifying "mowing down children throwing rocks, mowing down families driving around, mowing down kids playing football, mowing down toddlers in their bedrooms" based on some amorphous other "players" supposedly not valuing their own life (as a hypothetical soldier!). If this isn't a stark illustration of how individual people in a cycle of violence justify their own crimes to themselves, I don't know what is.

The position would make sense in the context of say a street mugging where the victim ends up shooting the assailant. It might make sense in the context of domestic policing where the subject of an arrest attacks the police (modulo the usual moral hazard wherein cops create pretexts to claim they were being attacked). But in the context of this article and the proceeding comment, I don't see how it is anything but a rationalization for some pretty sick violence.

Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by ActorNightly »

ebbi wrote: post #186
ActorNightly wrote: post #173

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Every single person is a product of their circumstances. If you personally were to grow up in either country, the neural network in your brain would be trained with a way different set of data compared to what you experienced, and you would be a different person. I don't have sympathy or hated for either side, this is just a byproduct of being human.

Are you trying to justify or minimize families being killed for no reason? I don't get your response in context of what I posted. There are truths, and pointing out someone that goes against that truth shouldn't have to worry about circumstances - especially if those circumstances have been widely documented to be violence since its inception.

If 2 teenagers end up doing drive by shooting on each others houses, all because their fathers were in gangs that did the same back in the day and thats the life the kids grew up in, how are you going to assign who is at fault? To either kid, the other side started it.
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