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Re: I was interviewed by an AI bot for a job

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Post by nradov »

jacquesm wrote: post #462
nradov wrote: post #461

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For apartment tenants there is often no "unit owner" and no HOA. Typically a single landlord owns the entire complex.

I don't know what you're trying to achieve with your endless stream of 'but' 'but', but in general if there is a problem you find the right door to escalate and you keep bugging them until they fix things. Resetting an alarm is going to look 'real good' if at some point the place burns down and for sure the building is insured somewhere and for sure that information is something you could dig up. If there is no unit…

What a weird comment. I don't know what you're trying to achieve with your endless stream of useless suggestions but @arctic-true stated above that they're an apartment tenant.

Re: I was interviewed by an AI bot for a job

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Post by tdeck »

SoftTalker wrote: post #361
tdeck wrote: post #323

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Snail mail has started to break down in the USA. I remember when I was a child letters always took 3 days to be delivered. Now I've sent letters to family members that took more than a week to arrive. I imagine that makes it hard for a candidate to plan or align interviews.

Send it registered, then it has tracking. Only costs slightly more.

As far as I can tell it costs almost 10 times as much to send a letter certified mail (or any other option with tracking). And it means I can't just use a regular stamp, I have to go to the post office or use a third party service like stamps.com and print out a label.

Re: I was interviewed by an AI bot for a job

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Post by cnd78A »

JohnFen wrote: post #2

> If your potential employer is dehumanizing you before you’re on the payroll, how will they treat you once hired? For me, this is the key point. If a company can't even be bothered to show up for my interview -- when everyone is trying to put their best foot forward -- that bodes very ill for how I'll be treated if I were to work there.

"dehumanizing": you should beblong to the lucky one surrounded by nice humans, many people prefer AI over (the vast majority of) humans.

Re: I was interviewed by an AI bot for a job

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Post by jacquesm »

nradov wrote: post #471
jacquesm wrote: post #462

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know what you're trying to achieve with your endless stream of 'but' 'but', but in general if there is a problem you find the right door to escalate and you keep bugging them until they fix things. Resetting an alarm is going to look 'real good' if at some point the place burns down and for sure the building is insured somewhere and for sure that information is something you could dig up. If there is no unit…

What a weird comment. I don't know what you're trying to achieve with your endless stream of useless suggestions but @arctic-true stated above that they're an apartment tenant.

That's not who I was responding to and you know that full well.

Re: I was interviewed by an AI bot for a job

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Post by joquarky »

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #118
whatever1 wrote: post #72

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Most of big-CO legal teams do not allow for feedback to be communicated to the candidates. They are afraid the candidates will sue base on that. That is not new.

Our entire system is getting so bogged down by things like this that it is ceasing to function. Lots of things that make sense individually but are breaking the previous social contract, or removing the grease that made things work.

Systems without slack are brittle.

Re: I was interviewed by an AI bot for a job

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Post by phatskat »

rafaelmn wrote: post #333
plagiarist wrote: post #15

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Yeah this. I hate this planet. So many problems would go away if people could actually afford to make choices.

The only reason you can "afford" anything is because other people do shit they would rather not, but do so for the money. If people could actually "afford to make choices" you'd find out pretty soon how dependent you are on others doing the dirty work for you to maintain your living standard. Like sure things aren't perfect, not everyone is compensated proportionally to their contributions, no perfect markets and you…

“The default is hunter gatherer” kind of leaves out a lot of communal living that happened throughout human history. Someone had to hunt, someone had to watch the kids, someone had to garden, eventually people needed to work on sewage lines and waste disposal.

Nothing about everyone having their needs met precludes the dirty work getting done - heck, some people even enjoy it!

The idea that everyone would just give up taking care of the necessities is, imo, ridiculous. It smacks of the tired line of “in an emergency, it’s every man for himself and no one will have your back” when history has shown again and again that communities come together and mutual aid flourishes in the face of disaster.

Re: I was interviewed by an AI bot for a job

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Post by komali2 »

Esophagus4 wrote: post #447
komali2 wrote: post #413

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I guess, I think there's too large of a pool of companies for anyone to really say what's a meaningfully "equal" or "worse" job. If Geico was opening a new machine learning division to do some really interesting work on the probably shitload of actuarial data they've built over the years, maybe someone from anthropic would be interested in that. Or maybe everyone gets laid off from anthropic because of an AI bubble b…

> If Geico was opening a new machine learning division to do some really interesting work on the probably shitload of actuarial data they've built over the years, maybe someone from anthropic would be interested in that But they’re not. And they won’t. And that is my point. They’d make a ML Engineer post on LinkedIn and get a bunch of people for whom Geico would be a step up. There will never be a job opening from Ge…

> The market is pretty efficient - people wouldn’t bid for jobs that are worse than their current situation.

This still seems like an oversimplification. It's easy to label FAANG, "frontier AI companies," whatever else, but the vast majority of jobs and the vast majority of engineers are in a soup that's maybe able to be split between "startup world" and "enterprise world" but beyond that, difficult to say one is "worse" or "better." And I've worked alongside FAANG people in startup world so, either that isn't a "worse" job and therefore your theory doesn't work because that means it's not really possible to accurately evaluate every single company as objectively worse/better, or, your theory doesn't work because people do apply to "worse" jobs.

Re: I was interviewed by an AI bot for a job

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Post by tharkun__ »

JoshTriplett wrote: post #144
tharkun__ wrote: post #135

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Using AI for what and is it bad or good? At this point, we think using AI and being able to use AI effectively is a skill in and of itself. When you're hired, you'll have access to AI. You'd be expected to be able to use said AI effectively. So, we still give you a FizzBuzz. You can use AI. Even if we told you not to use AI, we know almost everyone would use AI. But you have to understand the FizzBuzz and be able to…

> Even if we told you not to use AI, we know almost everyone would use AI. You can likely control for that, if you either interview in person or via screen sharing. (Yes, it could be faked, but that's harder.)

Yes, that's why I said, we have you explain what you "vibe coded" and then also do an actual live coding part where you have to make further changes. Via screen sharing.

The amount of people that can't even navigate "their own" code is astonishing. Never mind explaining what it does or making changes.

Re: I was interviewed by an AI bot for a job

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Post by tharkun__ »

suzzer99 wrote: post #142
tharkun__ wrote: post #138

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I do think we have to distinguish two things though. It's not really bad to ask someone to do a design session with them and "build their product with them from scratch" isn't inherently bad. That's actually pretty neat if you ask me. What's bad is if there's only a single answer and that's whatever they actually built themselves, which might be a pile of thrown together startup poo that was never cleaned up. But you…

2 spaces ftmfw. I want to see as much on the screen as possible. Horizontal scrolling is bad. Who still uses 8? Isn't that like a COBOL thing?

See that would definitely get you not hired ;)

Not because you use 2 spaces. You can argue 2 spaces and the pros and cons and how horizontal scrolling is an issue. One question back would be for example if that means you have huge run-on files where a single function does everything and that's why you need like 17 levels of indentation and that's why only using 2 spaces for each becomes important to you. And then you'd need to argue how that's better for visibility and what might actually be worse about it. If you can do all that, you're hired (if the rest of the interview goes well :P )

    Who still uses 8? Isn't that like a COBOL thing?
That works as a flippant comment when we're joking about code indentation after working together for a while and we get along great. As the one and only answer in an interview, you're out. That's quite disrespectful and no it's not a COBOL thing, I've seen (and used) 8 spaces and argued for tabs or 4 much later than COBOL days. In fact I've never written a single line of COBOL.
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