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Redox OS has adopted a Certificate of Origin policy and a strict no-LLM policy

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Re: Redox OS has adopted a Certificate of Origin policy and a strict no-LLM policy

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The commit you listed was merged upstream. https://github.com/zigimg/zigimg/pull/313

So does that mean they contradicted their own no LLM policy?

the policy listed is for the zig compiler. the commit in question is in a fork of a third-party library

Re: Redox OS has adopted a Certificate of Origin policy and a strict no-LLM policy

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You not realizing how ridiculous this is, is exactly why half of all devs are about to get left behind. Like, this should be enshrined as the quintessential “they simply, obstinately, perilously, refused to get it” moment. Shortly, no one is going to care about anyone’s bespoke manual keyboard entry of code if it takes 10 times as long to produce the same functionality with imperceptibly less error.

> no one is going to care about anyone’s bespoke manual keyboard entry of code if it takes 10 times as long to produce the same functionality with imperceptibly less error. No one is going to care about anyone’s painstaking avoidance of chlorofluorocarbons if it takes ten times as long to style your hair with imperceptibly less ozone hole damage.

This is a non-argument. All of the cloud LLM's are going to move to things like micronuclear. And the scientific advances AI might enable may also help avoid downstream problems from the carbon footprint

Re: Redox OS has adopted a Certificate of Origin policy and a strict no-LLM policy

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> no one is going to care about anyone’s bespoke manual keyboard entry of code if it takes 10 times as long to produce the same functionality with imperceptibly less error. No one is going to care about anyone’s painstaking avoidance of chlorofluorocarbons if it takes ten times as long to style your hair with imperceptibly less ozone hole damage.

This is a non-argument. All of the cloud LLM's are going to move to things like micronuclear. And the scientific advances AI might enable may also help avoid downstream problems from the carbon footprint

I wasn't gesturing to the energy/environmental impacts of AI.

Re: Redox OS has adopted a Certificate of Origin policy and a strict no-LLM policy

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You can, in fact, be pursued both civilly and criminally for fraud. Your admissions here are enough that if you tried to contribute to any of my own Open Source projects, I would reject your contributions, and if I had accepted any prior ones I would pursue legal remedies.

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Re: Redox OS has adopted a Certificate of Origin policy and a strict no-LLM policy

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It is entirely reasonable for a project to require you to attest that the thing you are contributing is your own work. The unreasonable ones are the ones with the oppositional-defiant “You can’t tell me I can’t use an LLM!” reaction.

It IS their own work. The simplest refutation of your point of view is, who or what is responsible if the work submission is wrong? It will always be the person’s, never the computer’s. Conveniently, AI always acts as if it has no skin in the game… because it literally and figuratively doesn’t… so for people to treat it like it does, should be penalized

If it’s the output of an LLM, it’s not their own work.

Re: Redox OS has adopted a Certificate of Origin policy and a strict no-LLM policy

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Projects that used to take months still take months. LLM’s are only useful for throwaway low-quality slop. Perhaps some times the sloperator will get lucky and the end result isn’t something that will bite them in the ass. But the rest of us foresee a mountain of tech debt that will come knocking one day.

This is like 2 months outdated.

This is a fair representation of the slop I'm given throughout each week:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtBI2BvPKBQ

Re: Redox OS has adopted a Certificate of Origin policy and a strict no-LLM policy

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You’d send me a contributor agreement, after I’ve contributed, to retroactively ask if I used a LLM to write the code, and if I refused you’d then sue me for nebulous ill-defined damages and for breaching a non-existent contract?

So in your head, I could contribute a change that introduces a bug and as a result you could sue me for the time it took you to fix it?

Are you OK?

I was hoping for something with a “I’m a big strong serious tough guy” vibe but that’s a bit much. However I guess you can file a civil case for practically anything in some countries, and if you’re retired/unemployed maybe writing this kind of internet police fan-fiction is considered fun?

Do another one, this time where it’s not thrown out as a clearly frivolous suit with no legal basis.

Re: Redox OS has adopted a Certificate of Origin policy and a strict no-LLM policy

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Have you tried the latest models at best settings? I've been writing software for 20 years. Rust since 10 years. I don't consider myself to be a median coder, but quite above average. Since the last 2 years or so, I've been trying out changes with AI models every couple months or so, and they have been consistently disappointing. Sure, upon edits and many prompts I could get something useful out of it but often I wou…

I feel like we're talking about different things. You seem to be describing a mode of working that produces output that's good enough to warrant the token cost. That's fine, and I have use cases where I do the same. My gripe was with the parent poster's quote: > Claude and GPT regularly write programs that are way better than what I would’ve written What you're describing doesn't sound "way better" than what you woul…

yeah it writing stuff that's way better than mine is not the case for me, at least for areas I'm familiar with. In areas I'm not familiar with, it's way better than what I could have produced.
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