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Statement from Dario Amodei on our discussions with the Department of War

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Re: Statement from Dario Amodei on our discussions with the Department of War

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Post by vallejogameair »

victor106 wrote: post #297
bnr-ais wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anthropic had the largest IP settlement ($1.5 billion) for stolen material and Amodei repeatedly predicted mass unemployment within 6 months due to AI. Without being bothered about it at all. It is a horrible and ruthless company and hearing a presumably rich ex-employee painting a rosy picture does not change anything.

> Amodei repeatedly predicted mass unemployment within 6 months due to AI. Without being bothered about it at all. What do you suppose he should do if that’s what he thinks is going to happen? And how do you know he’s not bothered by it at all?

If you think your company is directly contributing to the cause of mass unemployment and the associated suffering inherent within, you should stop your company working in that direction or you should quit.

There is no defence of morality behind which AIbros can hide.

The only reason anthropic doesn't want the US military to have humans out of the loop is because they know their product hallucinates so often that it will have disastrous effects on their PR when it inevitably makes the wrong call and commits some war crime or atrocity.

Re: Statement from Dario Amodei on our discussions with the Department of War

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Post by ccleve »

It's not clear to me whether Anthropic's limitations are technical or merely contractual. Is Anthropic actually putting the limitations in their prompts, so that the model would refuse to answer a question on how to do certain things?

If so, that's a major problem. If the military is using it in some mission critical way, they can't be fighting the model to get something done. No such limitations would ever be acceptable.

If the limitations are contractual, then there is some room for negotiation.

Re: Statement from Dario Amodei on our discussions with the Department of War

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Post by fluidcruft »

nerdsniper wrote: post #405
panarky wrote: post #360

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does the Defense Production Act force employees to continue working at Anthropic?

No. It really only binds the corporation, but it does hold the executives/directors personally responsible for compliance so they’d be under a lot of pressure to figure out how to fix enough leaks in the ship to keep it afloat. Any individual director/executive could quit with little issue, but if they all did in a way that compromised the corporations ability to function, the courts could potentially utilize injunct…

Maybe Anthropic could replace its employees with AI. Unlikely the admin is going to enjoy setting precedent that employees are protected against being replaced by AI.

Re: Statement from Dario Amodei on our discussions with the Department of War

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Post by nickysielicki »

relaxing wrote: post #437
lebovic wrote: post #202

I used to work at Anthropic, and I wrote a comment on a thread earlier this week about the RSP update [1]. It's enheartening to see that leaders at Anthropic are willing to risk losing their seat at the table to be guided by values. Something I don't think is well understood on HN is how driven by ideals many folks at Anthropic are, even if the company is pragmatic about achieving their goals. I have strong signal th…

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Pagerank is not Claude.

Re: Statement from Dario Amodei on our discussions with the Department of War

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Post by white_dragon88 »

neom wrote: post #319
lebovic wrote: post #202

I used to work at Anthropic, and I wrote a comment on a thread earlier this week about the RSP update [1]. It's enheartening to see that leaders at Anthropic are willing to risk losing their seat at the table to be guided by values. Something I don't think is well understood on HN is how driven by ideals many folks at Anthropic are, even if the company is pragmatic about achieving their goals. I have strong signal th…

I've had so much abuse thrown at me on here for saying this very thing over the last few years. I used to be friends with Jack back in the day, before this AI stuff even all kicked off, once you know who people really are inside, it's easy to know how they will act when the going gets rough. I'm glad they are doing the right thing, but I'm not at all surprised, nor should anyone be. Personally I believe they would go…

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Re: Statement from Dario Amodei on our discussions with the Department of War

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Post by nmfisher »

lebovic wrote: post #202

I used to work at Anthropic, and I wrote a comment on a thread earlier this week about the RSP update [1]. It's enheartening to see that leaders at Anthropic are willing to risk losing their seat at the table to be guided by values. Something I don't think is well understood on HN is how driven by ideals many folks at Anthropic are, even if the company is pragmatic about achieving their goals. I have strong signal th…

As a complete outsider, I genuinely believe that Dario et al are well-intentioned. But I also believe they are a terrible combination of arrogant and naive - loudly beating the drum that they created an unstoppable superintelligence that could destroy the world, and thinking that they are the only ones who can control it.

I mean if you sign a contract with the Department of War, what on Earth did you think was going to happen?

Re: Statement from Dario Amodei on our discussions with the Department of War

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Post by QuiEgo »

I'd be amused beyond all reason if we saw this chain of events:

- Anthropic says "no"

- DoD says "ok you're a supply chain risk" (meaning many companies with gov't contracts can no longer use them)

- A bunch of tech companies say "you know what? We think we'd lose more money from falling behind on AI than we'd lose from not having your contracts."

Bonus points if its some of the hyperscalers like AWS.

Hilarity ensues as they blow up (pun intended) their whole supply chain and rapidly backtrack.

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