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Re: Mac mini will be made at a new facility in Houston

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Post by ribosometronome »

burningChrome wrote: post #464
adamgordonbell wrote: post #84

Apple is very tied to Chinese manufacturing in a way that is hard to replicate in US. They will agree to make some high margin simple to assemble thing in the US to appease government, but if it goes as well as last time, they will stop as soon as they can. In china they were often able to iterate on designs and have custom screws and other parts made and ramped up in very short times. Something about having the whol…

>> Something about having the whole supply chain in one place and very motivated. This is the legacy of Tim Cook before Jobs passed. He was the guy who put immense pressure on Chinese factories to deliver on the insane quotas and timeframes he forced on them. He essentially blackmailed companies in order for them to his bidding - threatening to go to competitors if they didn't deliver exactly what he wanted. The stuf…

Not happening here? Foxconn's per capita rate during the peak of their suicide cluster was like 1.4-1.8 per 100k, America as a whole averages closer to 12-15 per 100k.

Re: Mac mini will be made at a new facility in Houston

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Post by dangus »

quantumwannabe wrote: post #308
dangus wrote: post #191

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The conversion rate is actually 0%. Nobody will pay more for a USA version. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43787647

That's because his American-made competitors charge $50 less than he is charging for his Chinese-made showerhead: https://www.waterchef.com/products/waterchef-sf-7c-premium-s...

Sure, but what would happen if WaterChef charged $20 less for "Made in China"?

You can't compare different products across different brands, the whole point is to compare the exact same product made in two different locations.

Re: Mac mini will be made at a new facility in Houston

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Post by 0_____0 »

mothballed wrote: post #263
0_____0 wrote: post #168

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There is no contingent in the US federal government that has a coherent plan for doing what you're talking about. The investment in capability that is necessary to build the next generation of manufacturing capabilities in the US is simply not within the public imagination.

I don't think it's something that can be centrally planned well. If the US changes their environmental regulations to match China, lowered their tax-to-GDP ratio to match China, changed their worker regulations to match China, and then opened up free immigration from Mexico for cheap factory labor then the "free" market would likely take care of opening up quite a bit more manufacturing.

china did not synthesize shenzhen through having poor environmental regulations and cheap labor, nor would one expect to have a shenzhen appear spontaneously in the us if the us allowed in unlimited migrant labor and abolished all environmental law.

Re: Mac mini will be made at a new facility in Houston

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Post by platevoltage »

gigatexal wrote: post #138
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #41

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So what? Even if you hate who the president is, it is in the best interest of everyone that the president does a good job. Wanting the president to fail and millions to suffer is scorched earth hatred, not strategy.

Business will continue to business. POTUS is a failed businessman many times over who only increased his wealth by whoring himself to our enemies be extorting our allies. I’m on the right side of history. Are you?

I mean, now he's just straight up taking money from the treasury.

Re: Mac mini will be made at a new facility in Houston

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Post by platevoltage »

yndoendo wrote: post #113

While shopping I look where items are produced and by whom company. When I see an item is manufactured in Texas I put it back on the shelf and keep walking. That State is too politically corrupt for me to financially support, same with Florida.

I do this when I buy things on Ebay. I'm not sending my money into those states unless I absolutely have to.

Re: Mac mini will be made at a new facility in Houston

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Post by vincnetas »

ianbutler wrote: post #448
mikestorrent wrote: post #294

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You don't need to brand efficiency and structure-at-scale as "authoritarian"; how painfully American of you. I know it's a completely foreign concept for anyone that has grown up in America, but it's actually within the realm of human possibility for the government and the individual to be aligned and want the same thing. Typically this is evidenced by tremendous social progress, which we see in evidence with the rap…

You're providing much too much credit to China's government, the dynamic is simpler: China just hasn't calcified yet after workers press for better standards of safety and quality of life and maybe they won't because that's where being authoritarian comes into play. They will crush that in a way we have moved away from. We used to build great things in the US and then we decided the blood price of 30 lives for the Br…

for 2023 us vs china workplace fatalities per 100.000 are 3.5 vs 3.0 in favor of china. (quick ai query)

in regards to calcification of china your position is unclear. you say that china advances due to pressure from workers but at the same time claim that pressure from workers is irrelevant because government can crush them at will. you cant have the cake and eat it too...

Re: Mac mini will be made at a new facility in Houston

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Post by palmotea »

ianbutler wrote: post #448
mikestorrent wrote: post #294

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You don't need to brand efficiency and structure-at-scale as "authoritarian"; how painfully American of you. I know it's a completely foreign concept for anyone that has grown up in America, but it's actually within the realm of human possibility for the government and the individual to be aligned and want the same thing. Typically this is evidenced by tremendous social progress, which we see in evidence with the rap…

You're providing much too much credit to China's government, the dynamic is simpler: China just hasn't calcified yet after workers press for better standards of safety and quality of life and maybe they won't because that's where being authoritarian comes into play. They will crush that in a way we have moved away from. We used to build great things in the US and then we decided the blood price of 30 lives for the Br…

> We used to build great things in the US and then we decided the blood price of 30 lives for the Brooklyn bridge or 100 for the hoover dam wasn't worth it. It's really not hard to build anything when you ignore any second order questions of impact. Why do you think certain people here want deregulation and for the EPA to go away.

Because wouldn't it be just totally awesome for our rivers to burn again?

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/cuyahoga-river-caught...

> In 1868, 1883, 1887, 1912, 1922, 1936, 1941, 1948 and 1952 the river caught fire, writes Laura La Bella in Not Enough to Drink: Pollution, Drought, and Tainted Water Supplies. Those are some of the incidents we’re aware of; it’s hard to say how many other times oil slicks may have ignited, as press coverage and fire department records were both inconsistent. But not all the fires were as innocuous as that of 1969. Some caused millions of dollars’ worth of damage and killed people. But even with the obvious toll on the landscape, regulation of industry was limited at best. It seemed more important to keep the economy booming, the city growing and people working. This attitude was reflected in cities around the country. The Cuyahoga was far from the only river to catch fire during the period. Baltimore, Philadelphia, San Francisco, Buffalo and Galveston all used different methods to disperse oil on their waters in order to prevent fires.

Re: Mac mini will be made at a new facility in Houston

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Post by palmotea »

m4ck_ wrote: post #396
Saline9515 wrote: post #376

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The difference with China is that the US credit score is limited to your banking activities.

It's not just loans and banking. Bad credit severely limits your housing options, even rooms for rent are running credit checks these days. Some employers too, even in roles where you aren't directly handling money or anything close to it.

The difference between a social credit score and a credit score is when you criticize the president, your social credit score goes down, but your credit score stays the same.

Re: Mac mini will be made at a new facility in Houston

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Post by trvz »

jsheard wrote: post #222
luketaylor wrote: post #112

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WSJ published a video yesterday with the first pictures of those servers: https://twitter.com/yiningkarlli/status/2026176857541075274

It looks like they're cramming 32 Apple Silicon SOCs into each server - they're on upright daughterboards attached to both sides of the heatsinks. That's a lotta chips.

If those are M3 Ultras that’d make 1024 CPU cores per 2U server.

512 with M4 Max is only a little above a dual Epyc with 192 cores each though.

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