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Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Post by cameronh90 »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #220
dakolli wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And at that point, you might as well use OpenRouter's PKCE and give users the option to use other models.. These kinds of business decisions show how these $200.00 subscriptions for their slot/infinite jest machines basically light that $200.00 on fire, and in general how unsustainable these business models are. Can't wait for it all to fail, they'll eventually try to get as many people to pay per token as possible,…

I think the subscription pricing exists because it’s a far more palatable way to bill people for day to day personal use. I used Claude back when API per token pricing was the only option and it was bad for all the usual reasons pay-per-use sucks compared to flat billing: you’re constantly thinking about cost. Like trying to watch a Netflix video with a ticker in the corner counting up the cents you owe them. I don’t…

If the pay-per-use cost predictable enough, it’s less of an issue. That’s how electricity works and it’s fine.

The issue with Claude Code is it’s not at all obvious how any given task or query translates to cost. I was finding some days I spent very little and other days cost a fortune despite what seemed to me to be similar levels of usage.

Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Post by fatherwavelet »

sciencejerk wrote: post #147
adrianN wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cars have also been dropping in price.

Evidence for this claim?

I had a 1990 Ford Taurus as my first car. I had got it used and I remember it being completely impossible to afford a new car at the time.

It was sticker price of $33,000 adjusted for inflation:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Taurus_%28second_generati...

I don't think it would even feel safe to drive at all compared to what we have got use to with modern cars. It broke down 3 times while I had it and stranded me on the road. No cell phone of course to call anyone.

These were the mythic "good ol days".

Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Post by is_true »

pirsquare wrote: post #341
bilekas wrote: post #314

It might be some confirmation bias here on my part but it feels as if companies are becoming more and more hostile to their API users. Recently Spotify basically nuked their API with zero urgency to fix it, redit has a whole convoluted npm package your obliged to use to create a bot, Facebook requires you to provide registered company and tax details even for development with some permissions. Am I just old man screa…

Facebook doing that is actually good, to protect consumers from data abuse after incidents like cambridge analytica. They are holding businesses who touches your personal data responsible.

They just want people to use facebook. If you can see facebook content without being signed in they have a harder time tracking you and showing you ads.

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Post by qwertox »

paxys wrote: post #23
MillionOClock wrote: post #4

I really hope someone from any of those companies (if possible all of them) would publish a very clear statement regarding the following question: If I build a commercial app that allows my users to connect using their OAuth token coming from their ChatGPT/Claude etc. account, do they allow me (and their users) to do this or not? I totally understand that I should not reuse my own account to provide services to other…

I don't see how they can get more clear about this, considering they have repeatedly answered it the exact same way. Subscriptions are for first-party products (claude.com, mobile and desktop apps, Claude Code, editor extensions, Cowork). Everything else must use API billing.

Then why does the SDK support subscription usage? Can I at least use my subscription for my own use of the SDK?

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Post by cactusplant7374 »

andreagrandi wrote: post #273

I'm only waiting for OpenAI to provide an equivalet ~100 USD subscription to entirely ditch Claude. Opus has gone down the hill continously in the last week (and before you start flooding with replies, I've been testing opus/codex in parallel for the last week, I've plenty of examples of Claude going off track, then apologising, then saying "now it's all fixed!" and then only fixing part of it, when codex nailed at t…

No developer writes the same prompt twice. How can you be sure something has changed?

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Post by resiros »

neya wrote: post #441
andreagrandi wrote: post #273

I'm only waiting for OpenAI to provide an equivalet ~100 USD subscription to entirely ditch Claude. Opus has gone down the hill continously in the last week (and before you start flooding with replies, I've been testing opus/codex in parallel for the last week, I've plenty of examples of Claude going off track, then apologising, then saying "now it's all fixed!" and then only fixing part of it, when codex nailed at t…

It's the most overrated model there is. I do Elixir development primarily and the model sucks balls in comparison to Gemini and GPT-5x. But the Claude fanboys will swear by it and will attack you if you ever say even something remotely negative about their "god sent" model. It fails miserably even in basic chat and research contexts and constantly goes off track. I wired it up to fire up some tasks. It kept hallucina…

It might simply be that it was not trained enough in Elixir RL environments compared to Gemini and gpt. I use it for both ts and python and it's certainly better than Gemini. For Codex, it depends on the task.

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Post by stavros »

TZubiri wrote: post #462
stavros wrote: post #404

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see how it's fair. If I'm paying for usage, and I'm using it, why should Anthropic have a say on which client I use? I pay them $100 a month and now for some reason I can't use OpenCode? Fuck that.

Read the ToS, you are paying to use their products. If you want to use other products that integrate with the Anthropic LLMs they offer a product which is the API. You can use Opencode by connecting your API and being charged per token. Doesn't that make sense? If you use it more you get charged more, if you use it less you get charged less.

But you understand that they changed the ToS today, and that's what I'm complaining about, right? "Read the ToS" isn't an answer to "I don't like this ToS change".

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Post by msh »

zdragnar wrote: post #261
gbear605 wrote: post #245

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The bundle only works if it’s +EV for them. A lot of analyses (though not all - it’s complicated) say that the $200/mo bundle (and certainly the $20/mo bundle) costs more than that for most users, and the bundle is currently a loss leader. If so, then eventually prices will need to go up, and API per usage pricing will seem much more attractive.

Even if it more expensive, people will prefer subscription pricing over pay per use. When you ask it to do something and it goes off the rails, the payment plans have wildly different effects: Subscription- oh well, let's try again with a different prompt Pay per use- I just wasted money, this product sucks Even if it is less common than not, it has an outsized impact on how people feel using it.

And it also caps your maximum expenses. A subscription user don’t have to worry something goes wrong and end up with a huge bill.

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Post by whiplash451 »

bilekas wrote: post #314

It might be some confirmation bias here on my part but it feels as if companies are becoming more and more hostile to their API users. Recently Spotify basically nuked their API with zero urgency to fix it, redit has a whole convoluted npm package your obliged to use to create a bot, Facebook requires you to provide registered company and tax details even for development with some permissions. Am I just old man screa…

APIs leak profit and control vs their counterpart SDK/platforms. Service providers use them to bootstrap traffic/brand, but will always do everything they can to reduce their usage or sunset them entirely if possible.

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Post by small_model »

Not sure what the problem is, I am on Max and use Claude Code, never get usage issues, that's what I pay for and want that to always be an option (capped monthly cost). For other uses it makes sense to go through their API service. This is less confusing and provides clarity for users, if you are a first party user use Claude's tools to access's the models otherwise API
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