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A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

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Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

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Post by scottyah »

lukeschlather wrote: post #438
what wrote: post #428

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You can only track what containers are in the fridge, not how much is left or if it’s expired. “Automated” pantry or fridge tracking is just not possible and requires way more effort than just writing “mustard” on the shopping list when you notice you’re low.

If you had a scale with an image recognition camera and you put everything on the scale before and after removing it from the fridge, it would probably work pretty well? I've been pondering setting something like that up, it would also be really helpful for keeping track of how much and of what I'm actually putting into the food I made, if I weigh everything before and after, I can just collect the amounts after the…

That would be extremely cool, I would love to follow you on youtube or something if you decide to pursue this.

Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

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Post by scottyah »

ghostly_s wrote: post #330
louiereederson wrote: post #238

- Why do you need a reminder to buy gloves when you are holding them? - Why do you need price trackers for airbnb? It is not a superliquid market with daily price swings. - Cataloguing your fridge requires taking pictures of everything you add and remove which seems... tedious. Just remember what you have? - Can you not prepare for the next day by opening your calendar? - If you have reminders for everything (respond…

- Why do you need a reminder to buy gloves when you are holding them? Had to go back because I skimmed over this screenshot. I have to presume it's because this guy who books $600 Airbnb's for vacation wants to save a couple bucks by ordering them on Amazon.

Or the in-store stock doesn't have the right size/color.

Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

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Post by scottyah »

ryukoposting wrote: post #345
louiereederson wrote: post #238

- Why do you need a reminder to buy gloves when you are holding them? - Why do you need price trackers for airbnb? It is not a superliquid market with daily price swings. - Cataloguing your fridge requires taking pictures of everything you add and remove which seems... tedious. Just remember what you have? - Can you not prepare for the next day by opening your calendar? - If you have reminders for everything (respond…

> Cataloguing your fridge requires taking pictures of everything you add and remove which seems... tedious. Just remember what you have? Yeah, the sane solution here is much simpler. Put a magnet whiteboard. When you put something into the fridge, add it to the whiteboard. When you take something out, you erase that item from the whiteboard.

Then remember to carry that whiteboard with you just in case you get off work early and decide to hit the grocery store.

Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

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Post by scottyah »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #398
darkwater wrote: post #325

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I understand your sentiment but nitpicking on this nonetheless: the passenger can easily open the glovebox from the touchscreen on their own.

True though I would take exception with “Easily” - have you seen how many taps you have to do? Not something you want to attempt while driving and certainly not easier than a hardware button.

It's two on the cybertruck, though you can customize to make it one. I'll admit it's not as easy as my old manual latch glovebox but it is safer for me while driving as I had to lean over to where I couldn't see the road before.

Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

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Post by scottyah »

what wrote: post #431
atemerev wrote: post #346

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I have really severe ADHD. Agents are lifesaving to me. Literally.

Can you explain how? You apparently didn’t die all the way to the few months ago that “agents” became a thing.

If something saves you an hour or two a day, that sounds life "saving" to me. Not just that you were going to die without it.

Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

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Post by lukeschlather »

what wrote: post #443
lukeschlather wrote: post #438

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you had a scale with an image recognition camera and you put everything on the scale before and after removing it from the fridge, it would probably work pretty well? I've been pondering setting something like that up, it would also be really helpful for keeping track of how much and of what I'm actually putting into the food I made, if I weigh everything before and after, I can just collect the amounts after the…

Again, you still have to put in way more work. You have to somehow know the weight of the container, otherwise it will never register as empty. Or you have to know the volume and the density of its contents (or worse, think about a jar of olives or pickles, how would a weight tell you it’s empty with the brine in there?). You still don’t know the expiry date. There’s no chance of automatically tracking this stuff.

The weight and expiry of the contents is printed on the package. Brine is a problem but olives and pickles it's much more tractable to estimate from a picture. These are all essentially solved image recognition problems. It doesn't need to be perfect to be useful either. The expiration date is the trickiest one, but mostly because you would need cameras on all sides including top and bottom, so you might end up having to hold it up for a moment to make sure the bottom is clearly photographed.

And yes, it's a bit more work but it gives high-fidelity data, with the right software you could calculate your actual nutrient intake with very high fidelity, which would actually be worth an extra 15-30 minutes a day of effort.

Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

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Post by brdd »

jgalt212 wrote: post #468
kccqzy wrote: post #467

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I do. Most of these bot blockers block bots because of scale: these bots operate with superhuman speed and their traffic comes from all sorts of IP addresses. Tools like Anubis appear because such bot traffic dwarfs human traffic. And they typically have fake User-Agent headers set to a browser while their TLS/HTTP fingerprints would suggest they are made from curl or the requests library. This is different. There is…

If there is no scale, there is no point of using OpenClaw. Furthermore, it seems OpenClaw uses headless Chromium (which is trivial to detect).

it uses a real chrome browser window (that i can see when i remote desktop into the mac mini) that's been very good so far.

re: scale, is it that this whole project is worthless bc nobody needs it, or is it that its so good that scale is a requirement? this is a project i built for myself, i'm not commercializing anything

Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

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Post by LogicFailsMe »

adastra22 wrote: post #336
LogicFailsMe wrote: post #280

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That's because the loudest voices don't really get how the technology or the science works. They just know how to shout persuasively. I think AI is about to do the same thing to pair programming that full self-driving has done for driving. It will be a long time before it's perfect but it's already useful. I also think someone is going to make a Blockbuster quality movie with AI within a couple years and there will b…

> I think AI is about to do the same thing to pair programming that full self-driving has done for driving. Approximately nothing?

So if you're close to retirement, that curmudgeon schtick might work out for you. But otherwise, be prepared to learn some new things or you're going to go through a few things.

Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

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Post by oblio »

randusername wrote: post #71
causal wrote: post #17

> amongst smart people i know there's a surprisingly high correlation between those who continue to be unimpressed by AI and those who use a hobbled version of it. I've noticed this too, and I think it's a good thing: much better to start using the simplest forms and understand AI from first principles rather than purchase the most complete package possible without understanding what is going on. The cranky ones on H…

I think you have to get in early to understand the opportunities and limitations. I feel lucky to have experienced early Facebook and Twitter. My friends and I figured out how to avoid stupidity when the stakes were low. Oversharing, getting "hacked", recognizing engagement-bait. And we saw the potential back when the goal was social networking, not making money. Our parents were late. Lambs for the slaughter by the…

Meh. I'm an early "reader" and a very late adopter. Just follow from a distance what's happening, without any skin in the game, and let other collect arrows in their backs. Unless you're actually building a business around the new tech, there's rarely any serious benefit.

Just keep an eye on things and try things without spending much.

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