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Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by pyrale »

chrisjj wrote: post #402
pyrale wrote: post #311

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, csam and pornographic content using the likeness of unwilling people. Grok’s recent shit was bound to have consequences.

If the French suspected Grok/X of something as serious as CSAM, you can bet they would have mentioned it their statement. They didn't. Porn, they did.

The first two points of the official document, which I re-quote below, are about CSAM.

> complicité de détention d’images de mineurs présentant un caractère pédopornographique

> complicité de diffusion, offre ou mise à disposition en bande organisée d'image de mineurs présentant un caractère pédopornographique

[1]: https://www.tribunal-de-paris.justice.fr/sites/default/files...

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by scott_w »

cubefox wrote: post #463
moolcool wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This looks like plain political pressure. No lives were saved, and no crime was prevented by harassing local workers. The company made and released a tool with seemingly no guard-rails, which was used en masse to generate deepfakes and child pornography.

> The company made and released a tool with seemingly no guard-rails, which was used en masse to generate deepfakes and child pornography. Do you have any evidence for that? As far as I can tell, this is false. The only thing I saw was Grok changing photos of adults into them wearing bikinis, which is far less bad.

Did you miss the numerous news reports? Example: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/jan/08/ai-chatbo...

For obvious reasons, decent people are not about to go out and try to general child sexual abuse material to prove a point to you, if that’s what you’re asking for.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by pyrale »

caminante wrote: post #372
pyrale wrote: post #302

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> if it were illegal, then why didn't Uber get criminal charges or fines? They had a sweet deal with Macron. Prosecution became hard to continue once he got involved.

Maybe. Or they had a weak case. Prosecutors even drop winnable cases because they don't want to lose.

Macron's involvement with Uber is public information at this point.

[1]: https://www.lemonde.fr/pixels/article/2022/07/10/uber-files-...

[2]: https://www.radiofrance.fr/franceinter/le-rapport-d-enquete-...

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by cubefox »

scott_w wrote: post #472
cubefox wrote: post #463

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The company made and released a tool with seemingly no guard-rails, which was used en masse to generate deepfakes and child pornography. Do you have any evidence for that? As far as I can tell, this is false. The only thing I saw was Grok changing photos of adults into them wearing bikinis, which is far less bad.

Did you miss the numerous news reports? Example: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/jan/08/ai-chatbo... For obvious reasons, decent people are not about to go out and try to general child sexual abuse material to prove a point to you, if that’s what you’re asking for.

First of all, the Guardian is known to be heavily biased again Musk. They always try hard to make everything about him sound as negative as possible. Second, last time I tried, Grok even refused to create pictures of naked adults. I just tried again and this is still the case:

https://x.com/i/grok/share/1cd2a181583f473f811c0d58996232ab

The claim that they released a tool with "seemingly no guardrailes" is therefore clearly false. I think what instead has happened here is that some people found a hack to circumvent some of those guardrails via something like a jailbreak.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by weregiraffe »

jjkaczor wrote: post #350
lingrush4 wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In fairness, AI-generated CSAM is nowhere near as evil as real CSAM. The reason why possession of CSAM was such a serious crime is because its creation used to necessitate the abuse of a child. It's pretty obvious the French are deliberately conflating the two to justify attacking a political dissident.

It may not be worse "objectively" and in direct harm. However - it has one big problem that is rarely discussed... Normalizing of behaviour, interests and attitudes. It just becomes a thing that Grok can do - for paid accounts, and people think - ok, "no harm, no problem"... Long-term, there will be harm. This has been demonstrated over decades of investigation of CSAM.

>Normalizing of behaviour, interests and attitudes.

That's why all media depicting violence should be banned.

/s

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by anigbrowl »

guerrilla wrote: post #441
anigbrowl wrote: post #407

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A distinction without a difference. Even if some kid makes a video of themselves jerking off for their own personal enjoyment, unprompted by anyone else, if someone else gains access to that (eg a technician at a store or an unprincipled guardian) and makes a copy for themselves they're criminally exploiting the kid by doing so.

Seems like a pretty big difference. It's got to be worse to actually do something to somone in real life than not do that .

Just because there are different degrees of severity and different ways to offend doesn't make it not contraband.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by Jordan-117 »

miki123211 wrote: post #454

This vindicates the pro-AI censorship crowd I guess. It definitely makes it clear what is expected of AI companies. Your users aren't responsible for what they use your model for, you are, so you'd better make sure your model can't ever be used for anything nefarious. If you can't do that without keeping the model closed and verifying everyone's identities... well, that's good for your profits I guess.

I could maybe see this argument if we were talking about raiding Stable Diffusion or Facebook or some other provider of local models. But the content at issue was generated not just by Twitter's AI model, but on their servers, integrated directly into their UI and hosted publicly on their platform. That makes them much more clearly culpable -- they're not just enabling this shit, they're creating it themselves on demand (and posting it directly to victims' public profiles).

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by gf000 »

trcarney wrote: post #381
gf000 wrote: post #347

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you think writing a review is somehow on the same magnitude as social media platforms with 300 million-3 billion users? And how is that different from TV channels/media en large having laws to abide by? Slippery slope arguments are themselves slippery slopes..

The TV station thing, talking about the US here, only applies to broadcast TV and it is a condition of getting their a frequency allotment from the government. No, i am not saying that it is the same. I am saying that it would start as "We are just going after the tech companies" but if you give the government an inch they will take a mile. They would take that and expand upon the hate speech stuff you are already se…

Hate speech laws exist in most of Europe and they are not abused at all. And it's not like media wouldn't already have a bunch of laws applied to it, even in the US - e.g. libel and the like. Surely you can slippery slope with that as well, right?

And the free market only works if there is a well-defined market with proper laws that are upheld. Otherwise it's a running competition where Meta/X just shoot every other competitor at the start and drive to the goal with a car. This has been known by Adam Smith already - you can't be a "free market person" while being happy with these giga-corporations trampling on laws left and right.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by xoac »

cubefox wrote: post #474
scott_w wrote: post #472

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you miss the numerous news reports? Example: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/jan/08/ai-chatbo... For obvious reasons, decent people are not about to go out and try to general child sexual abuse material to prove a point to you, if that’s what you’re asking for.

First of all, the Guardian is known to be heavily biased again Musk. They always try hard to make everything about him sound as negative as possible. Second, last time I tried, Grok even refused to create pictures of naked adults. I just tried again and this is still the case: https://x.com/i/grok/share/1cd2a181583f473f811c0d58996232ab The claim that they released a tool with "seemingly no guardrailes" is therefore c…

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