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Re: Apple picks Gemini to power Siri

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Post by teekert »

cush wrote: post #159
Workaccount2 wrote: post #58

If nothing else, this was likely driven by Google being the most stable of the AI labs. Gemini is objectively a good model (whether it's #1 or #5 in ranking aside) so Apple can confidently deliver a good (enough) product. Also for Apple, they know their provider has ridiculously deep pockets, a good understanding and infrastructure in place for large enterprises, and a fairly diversified revenue stream. Going with An…

> Gemini is objectively a good model (whether it's #1 or #5 in ranking aside) so Apple can confidently deliver a good (enough) product Definitely. At at this point, Apple just needs to get anything out the door. It was nearly two years ago they sold a phone with features that still haven't shipped and the promise that Apple Intelligence would come in two months.

Yes but they also haven’t generated spicy deep fakes and talked kids into suicide with their products.

It’s just how Apple does things: They still have no folding phone, under-screen finger print scanner, under-screen front-cam, etc.

Re: Apple picks Gemini to power Siri

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Post by cluckindan »

Fiveplus wrote: post #42

The writing was on the wall the moment Apple stopped trying to buy their way into the server-side training game like what three years ago? Apple has the best edge inference silicon in the world (neural engine), but they have effectively zero presence in a training datacenter. They simply do not have the TPU pods or the H100 clusters to train a frontier model like Gemini 2.5 or 3.0 from scratch without burning 10 year…

>Am I missing the elephant in the room?

Everyone using Siri is going to have their personality data emulated and simulated as a ”digital twin” in some computing hell-hole.

Re: Apple picks Gemini to power Siri

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Post by moltopoco »

teekert wrote: post #471
cush wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Gemini is objectively a good model (whether it's #1 or #5 in ranking aside) so Apple can confidently deliver a good (enough) product Definitely. At at this point, Apple just needs to get anything out the door. It was nearly two years ago they sold a phone with features that still haven't shipped and the promise that Apple Intelligence would come in two months.

Yes but they also haven’t generated spicy deep fakes and talked kids into suicide with their products. It’s just how Apple does things: They still have no folding phone, under-screen finger print scanner, under-screen front-cam, etc.

They did still overpromise and that should not be the way Apples does things (although it was hardly the first time; the AirPower mat was announced in 2017).

Re: Apple picks Gemini to power Siri

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Post by MaXtreeM »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #58

If nothing else, this was likely driven by Google being the most stable of the AI labs. Gemini is objectively a good model (whether it's #1 or #5 in ranking aside) so Apple can confidently deliver a good (enough) product. Also for Apple, they know their provider has ridiculously deep pockets, a good understanding and infrastructure in place for large enterprises, and a fairly diversified revenue stream. Going with An…

I agree with your point about Google being more stable company then the rest so the decision probably makes sense. But there was a study done by multiple news companies in Czechia by asking about news topics and Gemini was consistently the worst in citations and straight up being incorrect (76% of its answers had "issues", I don't have exact issues specification).

Re: Apple picks Gemini to power Siri

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Post by ksec »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #58

If nothing else, this was likely driven by Google being the most stable of the AI labs. Gemini is objectively a good model (whether it's #1 or #5 in ranking aside) so Apple can confidently deliver a good (enough) product. Also for Apple, they know their provider has ridiculously deep pockets, a good understanding and infrastructure in place for large enterprises, and a fairly diversified revenue stream. Going with An…

>If nothing else, this was likely driven by Google being the most stable of the AI labs.

I dont think the model is that much different if they thought Siri was half decent enough for so long.

Judging from the past 10 years, I would say this is more likely driven by part of a bigger package deal with Google Search Placement and Google Cloud Services. When everything else being roughly equal.

Instead of raising price again Paying Apple even more per user, How about we pay the less but throw in Gemini with it?

Apple has been very good, if not the best at picking one side and allowing the others to fight for its contract. They dont want Microsoft to win the AI race, at the same time Apple is increasing the use of Azure just in case. Basically playing the game of leverage at its best. In hindsight probably too well into it they forgot what the real purpose of all these leverage are for, not cost savings but ultimately better quality product.

Re: Apple picks Gemini to power Siri

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Post by rdn »

MaXtreeM wrote: post #474
Workaccount2 wrote: post #58

If nothing else, this was likely driven by Google being the most stable of the AI labs. Gemini is objectively a good model (whether it's #1 or #5 in ranking aside) so Apple can confidently deliver a good (enough) product. Also for Apple, they know their provider has ridiculously deep pockets, a good understanding and infrastructure in place for large enterprises, and a fairly diversified revenue stream. Going with An…

I agree with your point about Google being more stable company then the rest so the decision probably makes sense. But there was a study done by multiple news companies in Czechia by asking about news topics and Gemini was consistently the worst in citations and straight up being incorrect (76% of its answers had "issues", I don't have exact issues specification).

Apple is afraid of Siri succeeding

Re: Apple picks Gemini to power Siri

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Post by codebolt »

MaXtreeM wrote: post #474
Workaccount2 wrote: post #58

If nothing else, this was likely driven by Google being the most stable of the AI labs. Gemini is objectively a good model (whether it's #1 or #5 in ranking aside) so Apple can confidently deliver a good (enough) product. Also for Apple, they know their provider has ridiculously deep pockets, a good understanding and infrastructure in place for large enterprises, and a fairly diversified revenue stream. Going with An…

I agree with your point about Google being more stable company then the rest so the decision probably makes sense. But there was a study done by multiple news companies in Czechia by asking about news topics and Gemini was consistently the worst in citations and straight up being incorrect (76% of its answers had "issues", I don't have exact issues specification).

I've noticed Gemini tends to struggle with current news.

Re: Apple picks Gemini to power Siri

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Post by rdn »

andy_ppp wrote: post #431
baxtr wrote: post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are the top 3 features you’re missing right now?

I should be able to completely control my phone with voice and ask it to do anything it is capable of and it should just work: "Hi Siri, can you message Katrina on WhatsApp that Judy is staying 11-15th Feb and add it to the shared Calendar, confirm with me the message to Kat and the Calendar start and end times and message."

They will never do this, and the lack of it can be marketed as a security feature.

Re: Apple picks Gemini to power Siri

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Post by echelon »

ksec wrote: post #475
Workaccount2 wrote: post #58

If nothing else, this was likely driven by Google being the most stable of the AI labs. Gemini is objectively a good model (whether it's #1 or #5 in ranking aside) so Apple can confidently deliver a good (enough) product. Also for Apple, they know their provider has ridiculously deep pockets, a good understanding and infrastructure in place for large enterprises, and a fairly diversified revenue stream. Going with An…

>If nothing else, this was likely driven by Google being the most stable of the AI labs. I dont think the model is that much different if they thought Siri was half decent enough for so long. Judging from the past 10 years, I would say this is more likely driven by part of a bigger package deal with Google Search Placement and Google Cloud Services. When everything else being roughly equal. Instead of raising price a…

> I would say this is more likely driven by part of a bigger package deal with Google Search Placement and Google Cloud Services.

Can the DOJ and FTC look into this?

Google shouldn't be able to charge a fee on accessing every registered trademark in the world. They use Apple get get the last 30% of "URL Bars", I mean Google Search middlemen.

Searching Anthropic gets me a bidding war, which I'm sure is bleeding Google's competition dry.

We need a "no bare trademark (plus edit distance) ads or auto suggest" law. It's made Google an unkillable OP monster. Any search monopoly or marketplace monopoly should be subject to not allowing ads to be sold against a registered trademark database.

Re: Apple picks Gemini to power Siri

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Post by cush »

teekert wrote: post #471
cush wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Gemini is objectively a good model (whether it's #1 or #5 in ranking aside) so Apple can confidently deliver a good (enough) product Definitely. At at this point, Apple just needs to get anything out the door. It was nearly two years ago they sold a phone with features that still haven't shipped and the promise that Apple Intelligence would come in two months.

Yes but they also haven’t generated spicy deep fakes and talked kids into suicide with their products. It’s just how Apple does things: They still have no folding phone, under-screen finger print scanner, under-screen front-cam, etc.

Whataboutism doesn’t justify what Apple did. They took billions of dollars from consumers using demos of products those consumers never received.
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