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Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by nl »

fpoling wrote: post #237
ninalanyon wrote: post #64

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The solution to city air pollution is a different vehicle with a different drive train: an EV. The C15 is a workhorse for farmers and craftsmen not for shopping trips and driving the family to visit granny on the other side of town.

EVs are still heavier than ICE vehicles and will for the next 10-20 years unless one is OK with a tiny battery. And heavy weight means more pollution from wheels that produce particles that ends up in lungs. Note brakes also pollutes with asbestos but EVs typically have regenerative braking so I think brakes pollutes roughly the same in a heavier EV as in ICE car.

Modern car brakes don't have asbestos.

The difference in tyre wear is so marginal it's probably unmeasurable - less than the difference between running at the correct pressure and forgetting to check your tyre pressure.

ICE vehicles also have exhaust pipes which pollute some too...

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by ttoinou »

jijijijij wrote: post #460
ttoinou wrote: post #203

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Right now french people are obsessed with ecology and egalitarianism. Those who don't are not well seen in society, or left the country already. So the best thing I'd see them excelling at in this century, if they can drive their ideology in the right direction, would be producing low-tech solutions solving 90% of problems with 20% of the costs, with open-source like tools / materials / methods everyone can replicate…

> Right now french people are obsessed with ecology and egalitarianism. Do you have anything to read up on that? This got me a little excited, but I also doubt it due to the rise of right wing populism everywhere else. Man, if France actually got the rare attitude to get shit done in these times, I may move there and help.

It's just my general sentiment when I see my french peers. It'd be interesting to try to turn this into data for sure, but "right wing" in France has a different meaning / reality than in others countries, not sure the raw stats would explain this difference.

If you like those kind of ideas you should def move in France and start building with others there little communist enclaves. Just be ready that in France we do think a lot before deciding to act, we don't have the same "get shit done" attitude like in the anglosphere world

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by notatoad »

MrGilbert wrote: post #410
Braxton1980 wrote: post #388

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Modules need to be programmed for your vehicle specs and country because there are different laws and functions. For example rear taillights are different in Europe vs the US. Another is that higher trims of my car have a rear climate zone which has a different fan and actuators for air flow that the module needs to know exist.

> Modules need to be programmed for your vehicle specs and country because there are different laws and functions. So are different intervalls of oil change between Australia and Europe - and yet, even in the 90s, people were able to keep that in mind. We got taught to be helpless by the industry, so they can help us out. If that mindset would have existed in the 60s, 70s, then there would not be a "true to OEM" afte…

We got taught to be helpless by the industry, so they can help us out.

industry is pretty damn good at figuring out what customers actually want, instead of just what customer say they want and then don't actually buy.

cars are the way they are because that's what the overwhelming majority of car buyers actually want. The average driver doesn't want their car spitting out error codes, they want a check engine light to tell them to take it to a mechanic, and any information beyond that is confusing.

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by tanjtanjtanj »

Aurornis wrote: post #207
tanjtanjtanj wrote: post #192

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Just as an anecdote - When I was buying my last car I went in and asked for just the base model with nothing added onto it, ie not even the "eXtra Special" designations, and the dealership said they probably won't have any for a long time and if I'd like to pay 50% more for one with some features added on. I declined and kept looking at the inventory of the 4-5 dealerships nearest to me. For six months they never had…

> and the dealership said they probably won't have any for a long time In my case, I told the dealerships I was okay with waiting up to two years to get the exact trim I wanted. I told them whichever dealership could get me an allocation first got the sale. Then I literally stood up to leave. And like magic, they went to the computer and found the exact trim I wanted and got my allocation a month out. I was extremely…

That seems unlikely as I literally left and did not buy a car with more options and stayed in contact afterwards but I have seen that technique before where they suddenly "find" one in inventory after they realize you aren't going to take the option that gives them more comission.

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by brnt »

geremiiah wrote: post #34
epolanski wrote: post #10

Won't impress friends/chicks as an F150 or a Land Rover Discovery /s On a more serious note real (which is a minority) owners of bigger trucks need some serious torque for hauling.

Everyone is always hauling. Lol.

All non-Americans know Americans sleep 8 hrs a day, work 8 hrs a day, and haul 8 hrs a day.

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by tanjtanjtanj »

OptionOfT wrote: post #271
rconti wrote: post #231

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Yep, the hoods are higher than my wife's head.

My wife: 5'5": https://imgur.com/a/CVFDb0D Not to mention the amount of stones they kick up. In AZ if your truck has a suspension lift, you're supposed to have mudflaps. But that law (and many other vehicle laws) is not enforced.

I see SO many illegally modified trucks and I've never seen or heard of someone getting in trouble or failing inspection for them. It boggles my mind every time I see a car with tires extending half a foot on either side of the cabin veering here and there, making their presence everyone else's problem.

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by prmoustache »

beezle wrote: post #257
jeron wrote: post #208

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I'm probably one of the few people in this thread who are actually truck shopping right now The ranger is a great option for most people but one of my capabilities for the truck is to bring my bike to motorcycle track days. Usually I'd only take a single motorcycle, however track days are more fun with friends. to fit two motorcycles in the back of the Ranger, you need to adjust the angle of the handlebars awkwardly…

Don't know why you are down voted. People just assume that you have a place to store a trailer (and truck and motorcycle). As to your choice of the Ford,as a rural late model (2018) F-150 owner, I'd encourage you to consider something else. A used Tundra V8 or one of the GMC/Chevy's. My mechanic is thumbs down on the Rams longer term. I've had nothing but stupidity with this F-150 and all I do is personal plowing and…

You usually don't buy a vehicle that doesn't fit on a regular parking space when you don't have place to store a trailer.

Funny how some people go stupid justification after stupid justification for what is just an impractical for anything vanity product.

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by prmoustache »

IgorPartola wrote: post #448
Aaargh20318 wrote: post #327

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> I do use it for home improvement stuff and for hauling stuff around I don’t understand this argument, as they seem incredibly impractical for that. There is very little space for ‘stuff’, there is only the uncovered bed which is relatively small. The bed is also at an awkward height so very impractical to get stuff in or out. Since the bed is open, you always have to take all your ‘stuff’ out, you can’t leave tools…

Have you ever loaded drywall into a van? It is not fun. A truck bed is sized to load it perfectly. Strapping down lumber is also simpler. Lastly with nothing above the truck bed you can carry much taller things than in a van. It isn’t the only way but yes a truck is very practical. That’s why they are used so much in the US. The difference between the US and the EU isn’t just arbitrary either. In the US gas (sorry, p…

I find it crazy that people would buy ton of stupid stuff from amazon, aliexpress or Shein but would not check the delivery option for stuff that is actually annoying to carry around yourself.

People who need a pickup bed for work usually buy those that come with the chassis of a commercial VAN which have a much bigger bed than you'd ever dream of on a Ford F series.

The rest are simply getting delivered or using trailers, either rented when used sporadically or bought. A trailer is usually at a more decent height and you don't have to carry the weight and have to manage a huge vehicle when you actually don't need all the space.

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by alephnerd »

vdupras wrote: post #433
alephnerd wrote: post #407

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> There's clearly a collectivist movement within the revolution, it's just that this force failed to take power And there was a much more powerful core of leaders who were the children of the various types of elites within the ancien regime. Almost the entire history of France the century after the revolution was authoritarian or quasi-authoritarian rule with the collaboration of intellectual, economic, and religious…

It's weird, I feel like we're arguing over saying the same thing. Sure, I agree, but please don't say it's a meme. Sure, it didn't take power, sure, the bourgeois were stronger, but they still managed to overthrow the forces of Louis-Phillipe. Internet wasn't invented yet, memes couldn't depose kings.

> It's weird, I feel like we're arguing over saying the same thing

Yea, I think from the looks of it there's a bit of mutual confusion over terminology being used, but we are largely aligned

> Internet wasn't invented yet, memes couldn't depose kings

I'm using the Rene Girard definition of a "meme" before it got co-opted into internet speak.

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by spixy »

ghurtado wrote: post #313
loeg wrote: post #270

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Modern cars break down less than older cars -- they are more reliable, not less. They generate more power, with better emissions. They have a wealth of creature comforts and features beyond what 1980s cars had.

The reliability of a vehicle isn't just the frequency of breakdowns. It's the frequency of breakdowns times how fucked you are when it does break down. So the actual math also depends on your means and where you live.

yeah, Risk = Probability * Impact
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