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Re: US blocks all offshore wind construction, says reason is classified

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Post by array_key_first »

throw0101d wrote: post #109
linuxhansl wrote: post #29

What the... It seems we crossed into the realm of intentionally doing damage. I'm reminded of threatening tariffs to successfully derail global carbon levy on ship emissions. Meanwhile China runs away with all the clean energy tech (solar, wind, batteries, etc, etc.) while we hold to fossil fuels to save less than 200,000 jobs.

> Meanwhile China runs away with all the clean energy tech (solar, wind, batteries, etc, etc.) while we hold to fossil fuels to save less than 200,000 jobs. If you're talking about coal miners, David Frum joked / observed that there are more yoga instructors in the US than coal miners: * https://www.sfgate.com/columnists/article/Yoga-teachers-vs-c...

Also coal mining is a shitty ass job. Those people would be much better served working in green energy.

Re: US blocks all offshore wind construction, says reason is classified

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Post by ta9000 »

janc_ wrote: post #419
mgiampapa wrote: post #358

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The doctors offices want none of it. It's all FoodTV and HGN. There is no utility in pissing off 75% of your customers. I'm thrilled that my kid's doctor doesn't even allow patients that aren't vaccine schedule compliant.

Doctors should never deny patients. They can take precautions & insist on proper treatments, of course.

It’s this attitude that’s led to us being in this mess. Don’t want to listen to the doctor about basic medical advice? Don’t go to that doctor.

Re: US blocks all offshore wind construction, says reason is classified

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Post by array_key_first »

nailer wrote: post #149
andrewflnr wrote: post #32

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Intentionally doing damage started with DOGE. So, roughly day 1.

[flagged]

Just uh... just waiting for those saving to hit.

Yup, ahh... any day now.

Re: US blocks all offshore wind construction, says reason is classified

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Post by array_key_first »

llbbdd wrote: post #265
osn9363739 wrote: post #245

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How many people actual think like this or are influenced by it? (I'm going to be disappointed aren't I)

Nobody at all, but isn't it scary to imagine? In fact we could imagine and invent all kinds of scary things if we think too much. Ahh!

Most grown men are influenced by this. The patriachy is strongggg.

Just like you can manipulate women en-masse by appealing to patriarchal attitudes around femininity and beauty, maybe by talking about weight or hair, you can influence men by appealing to patriachal attitudes around masculinity.

I mean, you can convince the average American man to drop an extra 20K on a truck he doesn't need and a multiply his gas cost by 2x just by convincing him it's manly. You can discourage men from drinking cosmopolitans and instead have them drink the equivalent of cat piss by telling him it's unmanly.

Re: US blocks all offshore wind construction, says reason is classified

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Post by array_key_first »

roamerz wrote: post #105
breakyerself wrote: post #24

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Sure. We can always imagine an excuse to avoid dealing with the obvious reality. I don't think it's productive though.

They were approved by a prior administration that prioritized green energy over national security. There are several other comments above that allege other countries have come to the same conclusion regarding offshore wind farms having a negative affect on radar.

> They were approved by a prior administration that prioritized green energy over national security.

This is delusional. The US has been spending metrics fucktons of money on national security since long before Trump.

Biden, like trump, was absolutely a war monger, as almost all US presidents are. He was a center neoliberal politician who love love LOVED the military industrial complex, and it shows in all of his policy choices.

This characterization of the modern American Democrats as communist hippies is just so out of touch with reality it's not even worth humoring. It's just wrong. You're wrong.

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Post by jandrewrogers »

janc_ wrote: post #426
marcosdumay wrote: post #167

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The theory that the US government does those wars to keep oil prices high fits the timing way better than the opposite. I still thinks it's missing important details, but the US making wars to get more oil doesn't fit reality at all.

Venezuelan oil is more about US refineries that can only use very heavy oil, and US wells for such oil running out. Those refineries decided it is cheaper to bribe Trump than to invest into converting their factories. They are using US tax payer dolars (in a war with Venezuela) to avoid having to invest into their own conpanies.

That makes no sense. Any US refinery that can process heavy sour can also process any other kind of crude. It isn’t the 1950s.

The US has very advanced refinery tech that can adaptively refine everything from heavy sour to light sweet. The reconfiguration for the customer is highly customizable and largely automated. It is why so many countries send their crude to the US for refining. The US refiners make money no what kind of crude you send them.

Re: US blocks all offshore wind construction, says reason is classified

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Post by TheSpiceIsLife »

ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #438
nandomrumber wrote: post #421

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What nuclear waste? Where is it? Somebody must be able to point to the nuclear waste by now. There it is, waving frantically in panic, the nuclear waste! It’s coming right for us! Something is either highly radioactive for a short amount of time, or not very radioactive for a long amount of time. But never both highly radioactive and for a long time. In reality, there is so little nuclear waste that most of it has mo…

> What nuclear waste? Where is it? Good question! Since you asked: it is largely in cooling pools and piling up in empty lots around nuclear power plants, waiting for safe, secure storage to appear. > Something is either highly radioactive for a short amount of time, or not very radioactive for a long amount of time. This is not true at all, unless you consider "short amount of time" to include decades to centuries t…

> around nuclear power plants

Exactly what I said.

> This is not true at all

Yes it is.

I mean, if you’re going to dispute my point without providing any evidence, then all we’ve got is opinions.

If we’ve got data, let’s go with the data. If all we’ve got is opinions, let’s go with mine.

Re: US blocks all offshore wind construction, says reason is classified

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Post by balex »

beembeem wrote: post #56
tony_cannistra wrote: post #21

I looked into this a little because I was curious. I guess the ostensible "national security" rationale (which clearly is not the only reason!) for this is that turbines severely degrade the utility of radar surveillance along the coastlines. This is particularly relevant for low-altitude incursions and drones. Now, other large governments (UK) have resolved this in several ways, including the deployment of additiona…

Result first (kill anything not carbon-based), find rationale later. Same applies to how this admin forced layoffs at the green energy (hydro + nuclear) behemoth BPA [1] (which was funded entirely by ratepayers, not the federal government) then claimed an energy emergency to keep open coal plants serving the same geographies, coal plants that were already uneconomical and planned for shut down (or re-tooling to gas i…

Atlas shrugged

Re: US blocks all offshore wind construction, says reason is classified

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Post by defrost »

balex wrote: post #478
beembeem wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Result first (kill anything not carbon-based), find rationale later. Same applies to how this admin forced layoffs at the green energy (hydro + nuclear) behemoth BPA [1] (which was funded entirely by ratepayers, not the federal government) then claimed an energy emergency to keep open coal plants serving the same geographies, coal plants that were already uneconomical and planned for shut down (or re-tooling to gas i…

Atlas shrugged

Should we understand this to mean that you are suggesting productive citizens should go on strike against a current dystopian United States administration?

Re: US blocks all offshore wind construction, says reason is classified

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Post by roamerz »

anigbrowl wrote: post #183
roamerz wrote: post #105

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They were approved by a prior administration that prioritized green energy over national security. There are several other comments above that allege other countries have come to the same conclusion regarding offshore wind farms having a negative affect on radar.

Great, then they can explain the reasons. Most transparent administration in history, remember?

The reasons are clearly stated and widely reported by multiple news sources: The Trump administration ordered an immediate pause on five major offshore wind projects, citing national security risks due to radar interference.

Not much on details besides a “classified study“ but sounds pretty transparent to me?

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